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A similar thing can be observed in Germany: the most anti-cannabis state is the state that produces the most alcohol (Bavaria)

by iammjm 11mo ago

mschuster91 11mo ago
That's less because Bavaria makes beer, otherwise the wine states would also impede cannabis. The problem is that Söder and his CSU are obviously following the old Nixon attitude of targetting cannabis to hit left-wings [1]: > You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. And then you got the absolute deranged ones, like Marlene "Cannabis ist verboten, weil es eine illegale Droge ist" (cannabis is banned because it's an illegal drug") Mortler or Daniela "Cannabis ist kein Brokkoli" (cannabis ain't broccoli) Ludwig [2]. Imagine, these two utter failures were the official drug policy heads. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-... [2] https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/legalisierung-von-cannabis--gebt-das-hanf-frei---und-zwar-so-richtig-32842066.html https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/legalisierung-von-c...
- InTheArena 11mo ago
  You realize that this statement was completely fabricated by a legalization proponent, correct? No historian takes that "quote" seriously.
- hellisothers 11mo ago
  In my experience (of friends who drink and/or smoke weed) weed isn’t replacing drinking wine, it’s replacing drinking beer and booze.
  - mschuster91 11mo ago
    Bavarian attitude towards cannabis always bordered on authoritarianism, ever before weed legalisation became a political mainstream topic. Police was infamous for kicking in your door if a random copper walked home and smelled weed. "You smell like you got some weed on you" was a popular excuse the cops used at Munich Central Station to fleece everyone they deemed to look like a punk or, worse, Black person. And the latter, well, it's certainly not a coincidence that the cops asked for, and got, the weapon ban zones in train stations giving them back the authority to fleece people at will, right after the cannabis legalisation came in force last year. It's not about cannabis, it's not about the guns, it's all about the ability of the fucking cops to abuse their power whenever they goddamn want to, and Bavarian police are notable in Germany for being particularly aggressive and ignorant.
dude250711 11mo ago
Best of luck to them! I am not forced to inhale beer while walking down the street, yet there is seemingly always a pothead around.
- sleepybrett 11mo ago
  Then you don't live, like me, in the Ballard neighborhood of seattle where there must be 50 microbreweries. Every few mornings the whole neighborhood smells like rotting bread. I'd be happy to run into someone smoking weed on the street during those times, I find that smell much more pleasent.
  - lamontcg 11mo ago
    Or never encountered the drunks on Alki during the summer.
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- AngryData 11mo ago
  And? There is also always people smelling like shit, with perfume, driving combustion vehicles, using grills, or working in any of the numerous industries that create smells. Why is marijuana so special that it needs to be dealt with, but I can be assaulted by some petrochemical and whale barf cocktail fumes with no restriction?

A similar thing can be observed in Germany: the most anti-cannabis state is the state that produces the most alcohol (Bavaria)

by iammjm 11mo ago

A similar thing can be observed in Germany: the most anti-cannabis state is the state that produces the most alcohol (Bavaria)

mschuster91 11mo ago

That's less because Bavaria makes beer, otherwise the wine states would also impede cannabis. The problem is that Söder and his CSU are obviously following the old Nixon attitude of targetting cannabis to hit left-wings [1]: > You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. And then you got the absolute deranged ones, like Marlene "Cannabis ist verboten, weil es eine illegale Droge ist" (cannabis is banned because it's an illegal drug") Mortler or Daniela "Cannabis ist kein Brokkoli" (cannabis ain't broccoli) Ludwig [2]. Imagine, these two utter failures were the official drug policy heads. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-... [2] https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/legalisierung-von-cannabis--gebt-das-hanf-frei---und-zwar-so-richtig-32842066.html https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/legalisierung-von-c...

InTheArena 11mo ago
You realize that this statement was completely fabricated by a legalization proponent, correct? No historian takes that "quote" seriously.
hellisothers 11mo ago
In my experience (of friends who drink and/or smoke weed) weed isn’t replacing drinking wine, it’s replacing drinking beer and booze.
- mschuster91 11mo ago
  Bavarian attitude towards cannabis always bordered on authoritarianism, ever before weed legalisation became a political mainstream topic. Police was infamous for kicking in your door if a random copper walked home and smelled weed. "You smell like you got some weed on you" was a popular excuse the cops used at Munich Central Station to fleece everyone they deemed to look like a punk or, worse, Black person. And the latter, well, it's certainly not a coincidence that the cops asked for, and got, the weapon ban zones in train stations giving them back the authority to fleece people at will, right after the cannabis legalisation came in force last year. It's not about cannabis, it's not about the guns, it's all about the ability of the fucking cops to abuse their power whenever they goddamn want to, and Bavarian police are notable in Germany for being particularly aggressive and ignorant.

dude250711 11mo ago

Best of luck to them! I am not forced to inhale beer while walking down the street, yet there is seemingly always a pothead around.

sleepybrett 11mo ago
Then you don't live, like me, in the Ballard neighborhood of seattle where there must be 50 microbreweries. Every few mornings the whole neighborhood smells like rotting bread. I'd be happy to run into someone smoking weed on the street during those times, I find that smell much more pleasent.
- lamontcg 11mo ago
  Or never encountered the drunks on Alki during the summer.
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AngryData 11mo ago
And? There is also always people smelling like shit, with perfume, driving combustion vehicles, using grills, or working in any of the numerous industries that create smells. Why is marijuana so special that it needs to be dealt with, but I can be assaulted by some petrochemical and whale barf cocktail fumes with no restriction?