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Chastising people for fixing their own mistakes is not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed.

dmitrygr 11mo ago
Not recognizing that the same mistake made 17,000 times “by accident” over a few years is likely not accidental is also not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed Every one of those required an I-9 check. This means somebody changed the procedure to not require a federally mandated check. Not a small oopsie by one person - a deliberate action from top.
- vablings 11mo ago
  I would not assume pure malice in this case. The whole trifecta between the fed, the state and the state DMV is just complete spaghetti and need serious reform. The idea of state level drivers' licenses is really short sighted
  - dmitrygr 11mo ago
    I-9 verification has been law since .... November 1986 CDL is for work and requires i9 verification. This is not new
    - vablings 11mo ago
      This is not a matter about it being law but rather how poorly these systems mesh together thanks to government at all levels in the US being years behind Euro counterparts partially due to legislation barriers and probably cronyism
      - dmitrygr 11mo ago
        Excuse denied You do not need any "meshing" to know that work requires work authorization. It has been the case since before most current DMV workers were born!
        jmye 11mo ago
        And yet, you do need meshing to know whether or not they have work authorization. Would recommend taking a minute to really think about what people are saying to you, instead of jumping to asinine, teenage bullshit like "excuse denied".
        dmitrygr 11mo ago
        I9 is simple. I’ve administered it. Nothing hard. No way to mess it Up unless you just don’t do it
- UncleEntity 11mo ago
  The issue isn't that they were issuing CDLs to people who didn't qualify but that their work visa and license were supposed to expire around the same time so they couldn't overstay their visa and keep their job. Or, I'm guessing this was the intent of the law they're now enforcing.
- ta20240528 11mo ago
  The word you are looking for is "state capture".
infamouscow 11mo ago
This line of reasoning is genuinely stupid, it deserves to be derided and mocked. You can draw a straight line between these "mistakes" and these people violating traffic laws in such a way that they kill other motorists abiding by all traffic laws. By your reasoning, I can burn your house down and kill your family, and it's absolved by apologizing. What you don't understand is suicidal empathy eventually corrects itself with extremely violent vigilantism. And when (not if) that happens, you'll be begging for the state to come in to restore order, but they will be unable to. The state has already ceded legitimacy by not performing their duties, and what you're left with are violent gangs and warlords. Dark triad sociopaths view this as a way to cease power. What they miss is real power comes from groups of armed individuals, not from a ballot box.
- Freedom2 11mo ago
  Not entirely sure comparing an administrative error to burning someone's house down (how do you even know they live in a house?) and killing their family lines up with the HN guidelines.
  - infamouscow 11mo ago
    Making the same administrator error 17,000 times is not an accident.
  - dmitrygr 11mo ago
    Administrative error is when it happens once. Not 17e3 times!
- mcphage 11mo ago
  > By your reasoning, I can burn your house down and kill your family, and it's absolved by apologizing. Yes, "your drivers license doesn't expire when your work visa does" is exactly like "burning your house down and killing your family". This is a sane, logical thing to say, and reflects an expected level of adult maturity.

Not recognizing that the same mistake made 17,000 times “by accident” over a few years is likely not accidental is also not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed Every one of those required an I-9 check. This means somebody changed the procedure to not require a federally mandated check. Not a small oopsie by one person - a deliberate action from top.

vablings 11mo ago
I would not assume pure malice in this case. The whole trifecta between the fed, the state and the state DMV is just complete spaghetti and need serious reform. The idea of state level drivers' licenses is really short sighted
- dmitrygr 11mo ago
  I-9 verification has been law since .... November 1986 CDL is for work and requires i9 verification. This is not new
  - vablings 11mo ago
    This is not a matter about it being law but rather how poorly these systems mesh together thanks to government at all levels in the US being years behind Euro counterparts partially due to legislation barriers and probably cronyism
    - dmitrygr 11mo ago
      Excuse denied You do not need any "meshing" to know that work requires work authorization. It has been the case since before most current DMV workers were born!
      - jmye 11mo ago
        And yet, you do need meshing to know whether or not they have work authorization. Would recommend taking a minute to really think about what people are saying to you, instead of jumping to asinine, teenage bullshit like "excuse denied".
        dmitrygr 11mo ago
        I9 is simple. I’ve administered it. Nothing hard. No way to mess it Up unless you just don’t do it
UncleEntity 11mo ago
The issue isn't that they were issuing CDLs to people who didn't qualify but that their work visa and license were supposed to expire around the same time so they couldn't overstay their visa and keep their job. Or, I'm guessing this was the intent of the law they're now enforcing.
ta20240528 11mo ago
The word you are looking for is "state capture".

infamouscow 11mo ago

This line of reasoning is genuinely stupid, it deserves to be derided and mocked. You can draw a straight line between these "mistakes" and these people violating traffic laws in such a way that they kill other motorists abiding by all traffic laws. By your reasoning, I can burn your house down and kill your family, and it's absolved by apologizing. What you don't understand is suicidal empathy eventually corrects itself with extremely violent vigilantism. And when (not if) that happens, you'll be begging for the state to come in to restore order, but they will be unable to. The state has already ceded legitimacy by not performing their duties, and what you're left with are violent gangs and warlords. Dark triad sociopaths view this as a way to cease power. What they miss is real power comes from groups of armed individuals, not from a ballot box.

Freedom2 11mo ago
Not entirely sure comparing an administrative error to burning someone's house down (how do you even know they live in a house?) and killing their family lines up with the HN guidelines.
- infamouscow 11mo ago
  Making the same administrator error 17,000 times is not an accident.
- dmitrygr 11mo ago
  Administrative error is when it happens once. Not 17e3 times!
mcphage 11mo ago
> By your reasoning, I can burn your house down and kill your family, and it's absolved by apologizing. Yes, "your drivers license doesn't expire when your work visa does" is exactly like "burning your house down and killing your family". This is a sane, logical thing to say, and reflects an expected level of adult maturity.