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Why should the EU not see an expansive authoritarian superpower as an adversary, or, at the very least, a real threat to its continued existence and sovereignty

by F3nd0 11mo ago

Why should the EU not see an expansive authoritarian superpower as an adversary, or, at the very least, a real threat to its continued existence and sovereignty?

saubeidl 11mo ago
They're on the opposite end of the world, our interests do not conflict, but even overlap (i.e. they're the only other major power taking climate change seriously)
bix6 11mo ago
You talking about China or the US here?
- eCa 11mo ago
  China is trying to grow their influence around the world, while the US is trying to reduce their influence around the world. From where I’m sitting in the EU, both seem successful in their quests. (So I’m assuming they mean China.)
toomuchtodo 11mo ago
China needs Europe to support its export economy because there will never be enough domestic demand to prevent a deflationary spiral. Europe is a rational actor China can expect to act rationally in trade, and Europe can benefit from that. The US has nothing to offer Europe except LNG that Europe cannot produce itself, or obtain from China at better price or quality. Canada has ~200 years of LNG reserves and can ship to Europe from LNG Canada. https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/imports/united-states https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/imports/united-s... https://ember-energy.org/data/china-cleantech-exports-data-explorer/ https://ember-energy.org/data/china-cleantech-exports-data-e... The True Cost of China's Falling Prices - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45876691 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45876691 - November 2025 https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/americas-self-defeating-china-strategy https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/americas-self-d... > In 1995, China accounted for less than five percent of global manufacturing output. By 2010, that number had jumped to around a quarter, and today it stands at nearly a third.
- myrmidon 11mo ago
  China is not exporting LNG at all, did you mean Canada? The US is still a very large and attractive market for European exporters, and it would at the very least substantially least hurt Europeans if they had to fully substitute the US with China as a trade partner.
  - toomuchtodo 11mo ago
    Apologies if my phrasing was not concise. The idea I intended to communication was "Europe can get all the LNG they want from Canada, and anything manufactured from China." To your point about the US market, I would put forth the size of China, India, and Africa as import markets for Europe. The population of the US is ~343M, ~745M is Europe, while that of China, India, and Africa combined is ~4.6B (as of this comment, rough proxy for total addressable markets). Admittedly the latter are at various stages of development, but I am of a strong opinion they can replace the US considering demographics, proximity, rate of development and purchasing power increasing, etc. International equities have already outperformed the S&P500 this year, so this may happen faster than we might expect. China is not as quite as wealthy as the US, but India and Africa are the last of global emerging markets and where the economic growth future of the world is. Do you configure and target your export economy for growing markets? Or declining markets? Citations: https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3m5gk7jjsm22n https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3m... | https://archive.today/P2HxS https://archive.today/P2HxS ("International stocks are outperforming the S&P 500 by the widest margin in 16 years.") - November 12th, 2025 Goldman Strategists See US Stocks Lagging All Peers Next Decade - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-12/goldman-strategists-see-us-stocks-lagging-all-peers-next-decade https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-12/goldman-s... | https://archive.today/aINUx https://archive.today/aINUx - November 12th, 2025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44455077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44455077
    - toomuchtodo 11mo ago
      Additional citation: How the Rest of the World Is Moving on From Trump’s ‘America First’ - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-15/the-world-starts-moving-on-from-america-first-new-economy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-15/the-wo... | https://archive.today/m67tK https://archive.today/m67tK - November 15th, 2025
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by F3nd0 11mo ago

Why should the EU not see an expansive authoritarian superpower as an adversary, or, at the very least, a real threat to its continued existence and sovereignty?

saubeidl 11mo ago

They're on the opposite end of the world, our interests do not conflict, but even overlap (i.e. they're the only other major power taking climate change seriously)

bix6 11mo ago

You talking about China or the US here?

eCa 11mo ago
China is trying to grow their influence around the world, while the US is trying to reduce their influence around the world. From where I’m sitting in the EU, both seem successful in their quests. (So I’m assuming they mean China.)

toomuchtodo 11mo ago

China needs Europe to support its export economy because there will never be enough domestic demand to prevent a deflationary spiral. Europe is a rational actor China can expect to act rationally in trade, and Europe can benefit from that. The US has nothing to offer Europe except LNG that Europe cannot produce itself, or obtain from China at better price or quality. Canada has ~200 years of LNG reserves and can ship to Europe from LNG Canada. https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/imports/united-states https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/imports/united-s... https://ember-energy.org/data/china-cleantech-exports-data-explorer/ https://ember-energy.org/data/china-cleantech-exports-data-e... The True Cost of China's Falling Prices - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45876691 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45876691 - November 2025 https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/americas-self-defeating-china-strategy https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/americas-self-d... > In 1995, China accounted for less than five percent of global manufacturing output. By 2010, that number had jumped to around a quarter, and today it stands at nearly a third.

myrmidon 11mo ago
China is not exporting LNG at all, did you mean Canada? The US is still a very large and attractive market for European exporters, and it would at the very least substantially least hurt Europeans if they had to fully substitute the US with China as a trade partner.
- toomuchtodo 11mo ago
  Apologies if my phrasing was not concise. The idea I intended to communication was "Europe can get all the LNG they want from Canada, and anything manufactured from China." To your point about the US market, I would put forth the size of China, India, and Africa as import markets for Europe. The population of the US is ~343M, ~745M is Europe, while that of China, India, and Africa combined is ~4.6B (as of this comment, rough proxy for total addressable markets). Admittedly the latter are at various stages of development, but I am of a strong opinion they can replace the US considering demographics, proximity, rate of development and purchasing power increasing, etc. International equities have already outperformed the S&P500 this year, so this may happen faster than we might expect. China is not as quite as wealthy as the US, but India and Africa are the last of global emerging markets and where the economic growth future of the world is. Do you configure and target your export economy for growing markets? Or declining markets? Citations: https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3m5gk7jjsm22n https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3m... | https://archive.today/P2HxS https://archive.today/P2HxS ("International stocks are outperforming the S&P 500 by the widest margin in 16 years.") - November 12th, 2025 Goldman Strategists See US Stocks Lagging All Peers Next Decade - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-12/goldman-strategists-see-us-stocks-lagging-all-peers-next-decade https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-12/goldman-s... | https://archive.today/aINUx https://archive.today/aINUx - November 12th, 2025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44769439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44455077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44455077
  - toomuchtodo 11mo ago
    Additional citation: How the Rest of the World Is Moving on From Trump’s ‘America First’ - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-15/the-world-starts-moving-on-from-america-first-new-economy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-11-15/the-wo... | https://archive.today/m67tK https://archive.today/m67tK - November 15th, 2025

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