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> How did that ancient civilisation from the 90s managed to build a functional chat app? By only accepting ANSI input, not encrypting any messages, and not bot

> How did that ancient civilisation from the 90s managed to build a functional chat app? By only accepting ANSI input, not encrypting any messages, and not bothering to protect users' from remote attacks. Facebooks's GUI stack for WhatsApp may be rather buggy but on a technical level there's a lot more going on than back in the days of unencrypted TCP connections over plaintext protocols. Meanwhile, Telegram has an excellent desktop app (despite their terrible protocol), so it's not like the knowledge was lost either.

cm2187 1y ago
SSL and basic encryption isn’t exactly rocket science today. I have not used the telegram desktop app but their web app is completely broken.
- jeroenhd 1y ago
  Secure, end-to-end, multi-device encryption isn't easy. Plenty of people try and fail to build secure messengers based on top of PGP and Signal's protocol. I don't use the Telegram web app, but their native apps work excellently. The insertion of ads has been a major disappointment but the chat UX itself is still great, even on native Linux.
  - ale42 1y ago
    But Telegram end-to-end encryption is optional as far as I know.
    - jeroenhd 1y ago
      It is, and it's a good reason to avoid the platform, but they do support E2EE _and_ have a good, native desktop application.
      - ale42 1y ago
        > have a good, native desktop application. Indeed. I'm not actively using Telegram, but I tried the desktop application (made with Qt if I remember well), and it's way ahead of what Whatsapp offers. Not to mention it's fast and relatively light.
        jeroenhd 1y ago
        It's made with Qt indeed, the source code is here: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop Facebook could just take the app, change the colour's to make it green, and replace the messaging protocol with their WhatsApp library, and they'd get an actually usable chat client practically for free.

cm2187 1y ago

SSL and basic encryption isn’t exactly rocket science today. I have not used the telegram desktop app but their web app is completely broken.

jeroenhd 1y ago
Secure, end-to-end, multi-device encryption isn't easy. Plenty of people try and fail to build secure messengers based on top of PGP and Signal's protocol. I don't use the Telegram web app, but their native apps work excellently. The insertion of ads has been a major disappointment but the chat UX itself is still great, even on native Linux.
- ale42 1y ago
  But Telegram end-to-end encryption is optional as far as I know.
  - jeroenhd 1y ago
    It is, and it's a good reason to avoid the platform, but they do support E2EE _and_ have a good, native desktop application.
    - ale42 1y ago
      > have a good, native desktop application. Indeed. I'm not actively using Telegram, but I tried the desktop application (made with Qt if I remember well), and it's way ahead of what Whatsapp offers. Not to mention it's fast and relatively light.
      - jeroenhd 1y ago
        It's made with Qt indeed, the source code is here: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop Facebook could just take the app, change the colour's to make it green, and replace the messaging protocol with their WhatsApp library, and they'd get an actually usable chat client practically for free.