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Battlefield 6 might never run on the average Linux desktop, but I could see a future where it would run on Steam hardware in an end-to-end Secure Boot environme

by LexiMax 11mo ago

Battlefield 6 might never run on the average Linux desktop, but I could see a future where it would run on Steam hardware in an end-to-end Secure Boot environment. Gamers don't like playing with cheaters.

aaomidi 11mo ago
We’re going to have to figure out a better way of dealing with cheaters. You could be playing against an AI model specifically trained on that game. No anti cheat is going to detect that.
- cestith 11mo ago
  A few anti-cheat systems rather than inspecting the local machine look for things like impossibly fast target acquisition in FPS games, or the server noticing when a shot is taken on an opponent who’s supposed to be totally obscured. Those aren’t perfect, but they don’t require kernel-level anticheat.
  - rangestransform 11mo ago
    Cheating detection server side is expensive and probabilistic at best, kernel level anti cheat is a purely financial decision
- LexiMax 11mo ago
  I find it much more likely that Valve enables Secure Boot on their Steam hardware. I imagine that if this happens, it will be followed by popular Linux distros finally becoming serious about their Secure Boot implementations, instead of simply shimming it or seen as a rarely-used feature reserved for enterprise distros like RHEL. Some of us actually think that having some sort of validation that our OS hasn't been tampered with is a feature and not a bug. It's only a problem when companies parlay that validation into anti-consumer DRM - but that's a political problem, not a technological one.
  - Hikikomori 11mo ago
    Or rebooting to a secure mode where you can only run the game and maybe discord.
  - array_key_first 11mo ago
    It's both a technological and political problem. All the platforms that went all-in on secure boot like things and attestation are anti-consumer hellholes that slurp all your data. The evidence just does not look good. Maybe Linux is different, but it's swimming against the tide here. It would be the first of it's kind.
  - aaomidi 11mo ago
    But again this doesn’t solve the problem where an AI model can just play the game.

by LexiMax 11mo ago

aaomidi 11mo ago

We’re going to have to figure out a better way of dealing with cheaters. You could be playing against an AI model specifically trained on that game. No anti cheat is going to detect that.

cestith 11mo ago
A few anti-cheat systems rather than inspecting the local machine look for things like impossibly fast target acquisition in FPS games, or the server noticing when a shot is taken on an opponent who’s supposed to be totally obscured. Those aren’t perfect, but they don’t require kernel-level anticheat.
- rangestransform 11mo ago
  Cheating detection server side is expensive and probabilistic at best, kernel level anti cheat is a purely financial decision
LexiMax 11mo ago
I find it much more likely that Valve enables Secure Boot on their Steam hardware. I imagine that if this happens, it will be followed by popular Linux distros finally becoming serious about their Secure Boot implementations, instead of simply shimming it or seen as a rarely-used feature reserved for enterprise distros like RHEL. Some of us actually think that having some sort of validation that our OS hasn't been tampered with is a feature and not a bug. It's only a problem when companies parlay that validation into anti-consumer DRM - but that's a political problem, not a technological one.
- Hikikomori 11mo ago
  Or rebooting to a secure mode where you can only run the game and maybe discord.
- array_key_first 11mo ago
  It's both a technological and political problem. All the platforms that went all-in on secure boot like things and attestation are anti-consumer hellholes that slurp all your data. The evidence just does not look good. Maybe Linux is different, but it's swimming against the tide here. It would be the first of it's kind.
- aaomidi 11mo ago
  But again this doesn’t solve the problem where an AI model can just play the game.