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If any game has DRM or anti-cheat technology which BF6 does and even most AAA games, then it cannot play it at all without it. That is going to be a no go for
by rvz 1y ago
If any game has DRM or anti-cheat technology which BF6 does and even most AAA games, then it cannot play it at all without it.
That is going to be a no go for any SteamOS device when an highly anticipated game gets released on day 1.
- aaomidi 1y agoMarket pressure can change game studios behavior.
- LexiMax 1y agoBattlefield 6 might never run on the average Linux desktop, but I could see a future where it would run on Steam hardware in an end-to-end Secure Boot environment. Gamers don't like playing with cheaters.
- aaomidi 1y agoWe’re going to have to figure out a better way of dealing with cheaters. You could be playing against an AI model specifically trained on that game. No anti cheat is going to detect that.
- cestith 1y agoA few anti-cheat systems rather than inspecting the local machine look for things like impossibly fast target acquisition in FPS games, or the server noticing when a shot is taken on an opponent who’s supposed to be totally obscured. Those aren’t perfect, but they don’t require kernel-level anticheat.
- rangestransform 1y agoCheating detection server side is expensive and probabilistic at best, kernel level anti cheat is a purely financial decision
- LexiMax 1y agoI find it much more likely that Valve enables Secure Boot on their Steam hardware. I imagine that if this happens, it will be followed by popular Linux distros finally becoming serious about their Secure Boot implementations, instead of simply shimming it or seen as a rarely-used feature reserved for enterprise distros like RHEL. Some of us actually think that having some sort of validation that our OS hasn't been tampered with is a feature and not a bug. It's only a problem when companies parlay that validation into anti-consumer DRM - but that's a political problem, not a technological one.
- Hikikomori 1y agoOr rebooting to a secure mode where you can only run the game and maybe discord.
- array_key_first 1y agoIt's both a technological and political problem. All the platforms that went all-in on secure boot like things and attestation are anti-consumer hellholes that slurp all your data. The evidence just does not look good. Maybe Linux is different, but it's swimming against the tide here. It would be the first of it's kind.
- aaomidi 1y agoBut again this doesn’t solve the problem where an AI model can just play the game.
- hlfshell 1y agoARC Raiders runs fine with anticheat on Linux. As does the Finals.
- ethmarks 1y agoI think that the idea is that if you get enough users on Linux, it seems foolish from the game studio's perspective not to add Linux support to their anticheat.
- walletdrainer 1y agoNot necessarily, the anticheat will end up much easier to defeat on Linux.
- swiftcoder 1y agoThis depends heavily on how customised the linux is. Back in the day Amazon had to fork Android to add kernel-level support for DRM, otherwise the studios weren't going to permit streaming video on Fire tablets. One could imagine Valve adding an optional kernel DRM module to solve the same problem.
- walletdrainer 1y agoYou still lose because the dev team has to split their attention. And anyway I (and many other people!) have valid keys for basically all widevine streams extracted from supposedly secure android devices. That DRM approach ended up failing miserably and torrent sites are full of WEB-DLs.
- ethmarks 1y agoBut you can still stream video on normal Android devices, no? My Motorola phone supports Disney+. Why did studios object to streaming on Fire tablets unless it had kernel DRM but they're fine with streaming on easily-rootable phones?
- swiftcoder 1y agoNot at that time, no - this was several years before Google decided to ship Widevine in Android
- walletdrainer 1y ago
- fulafel 1y agoNot the case - lots of games including AAA ones have these things on the Steam Deck.
- johnny22 1y agoanti-cheat is one thing, but i'm not aware of any DRM that doesn't work on linux? I know denuvo is one of the most popular ones and it definitely does