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It could be that the only way to remind people is to get them to see some deaths or near-deaths first-hand.

Esophagus4 1y ago
Ah, I was thinking that’s what the argument was. To which I’d say… maybe? I was able to dig up this paper that showed 66% of the COVID unvaccinated regretted their decision after hospitalization. The rest were undeterred, even after hospitalization, mostly due to ideology and conspiracies. But the problem is that I wouldn’t be comfortable risking public health to prove 2/3 of a point to vaccine skeptics who should’ve known better anyway. The Hippocratic oath is to do no harm, and I wouldn’t want a loved one with a suppressed immune system or lung problems to get seriously sick because we let the disease spread by choice. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8950102/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8950102/
- TheOtherHobbes 1y ago
  The real vectors of disinformation are social media, and antivax deaths are downstream of that. But we don't have any kind of cultural immunity to the kind of propagandised and designed messaging that drives these campaigns. In the absence of that, learning through consequences - and coming in with the messaging after they happen - is the only thing that can make a difference.
  - Esophagus4 1y ago
    > But we don't have any kind of cultural immunity to the kind of propagandised and designed messaging that drives these campaigns It seem like if we can find a vaccine for propaganda, we would get a lot of mileage out of it.
AlotOfReading 1y ago
I'm reminded of the M.A.D.D. campaigns to reduce drunk driving with faked crash scenes in front of schools. They would set up a crashed car with dummy "bodies" strewn (and even scattered blood/glass) across walkways where everyone could see them. I don't think it was a particularly effective tactic.
- jojobas 1y ago
  A fake crash is not be convincing, you distant cousin/neighbor/friend losing a child might be.
zdragnar 1y ago
The least vaccinated communities also tend to be the least visible. I suspect it wouldn't be terribly effective in the large.
- jojobas 1y ago
  They are visible from within. 3 kids in your kids' school die, you do something.

Ah, I was thinking that’s what the argument was. To which I’d say… maybe? I was able to dig up this paper that showed 66% of the COVID unvaccinated regretted their decision after hospitalization. The rest were undeterred, even after hospitalization, mostly due to ideology and conspiracies. But the problem is that I wouldn’t be comfortable risking public health to prove 2/3 of a point to vaccine skeptics who should’ve known better anyway. The Hippocratic oath is to do no harm, and I wouldn’t want a loved one with a suppressed immune system or lung problems to get seriously sick because we let the disease spread by choice. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8950102/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8950102/

TheOtherHobbes 1y ago
The real vectors of disinformation are social media, and antivax deaths are downstream of that. But we don't have any kind of cultural immunity to the kind of propagandised and designed messaging that drives these campaigns. In the absence of that, learning through consequences - and coming in with the messaging after they happen - is the only thing that can make a difference.
- Esophagus4 1y ago
  > But we don't have any kind of cultural immunity to the kind of propagandised and designed messaging that drives these campaigns It seem like if we can find a vaccine for propaganda, we would get a lot of mileage out of it.

AlotOfReading 1y ago

I'm reminded of the M.A.D.D. campaigns to reduce drunk driving with faked crash scenes in front of schools. They would set up a crashed car with dummy "bodies" strewn (and even scattered blood/glass) across walkways where everyone could see them. I don't think it was a particularly effective tactic.

jojobas 1y ago
A fake crash is not be convincing, you distant cousin/neighbor/friend losing a child might be.

zdragnar 1y ago

The least vaccinated communities also tend to be the least visible. I suspect it wouldn't be terribly effective in the large.

jojobas 1y ago
They are visible from within. 3 kids in your kids' school die, you do something.