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Chat Control is close to being adopted, and its worse

48 points by latexr 1y ago

iamnothere 1y ago
So much for it being “dropped” I guess. It looks like they are going to force this through one way or another, and the only option is to resist by any means possible. I am in the US, but I’ll do my best to build and promote tools and services that EU citizens can use to circumvent this.
digitalPhonix 1y ago
I couldn’t find the text of it (unsurprising if it’s being rushed through), but how does it “outlaw anonymous communication”? That sounds even more terrifying than the original chat control! How is this the back door “compromise”?
- iamnothere 1y ago
  It is here: https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2025/11/2025-11-06_Council_Presidency_LEWP_CSA-R_Presidency-compromise-texts_14092.pdf https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2025/11/2025-11-06_Cou... It is worse than the original.
kaboomshebang 1y ago
This makes me feel pissed off. I used to be Pro EU, now I'm not so sure. (Suddenly I understand Trump voters.)
- latexr 1y ago
  I’m mad too, but the solution is not to want to vote for someone even worse.
  - dmitrygr 1y ago
    >> This makes me feel pissed off. I used to be Pro EU, now I'm not so sure. (Suddenly I understand Trump voters.) > I’m mad too, but the solution is not to want to vote for someone even worse. When trump signs a bill to outlaw encryption, let's talk. Until then, ON THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE trump is very much not "someone even worse"
- deleted 1y ago
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- FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
  The EU itself is mostly an admittedly flawed but good idea. The problem is that too many voters keep going for authoritarianism because of racism and hate.
no_chat_control 1y ago
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
Bender 1y ago
What Now? - Keep your mainstream big platform accounts for discovery and casual conversations. Feed big platforms giga-tons of crap data to give the AI indigestion and diarrhea. - Set up open source platforms to tinker on, share with small groups of friends. Focus on cattle vs kittens keeping servers ephemeral and mostly-stateless. Keep data encrypted and backed up to secure locations, logs in tmpfs or /dev/null. Practice live migrations and secure wipes of old nodes.

48 points by latexr 1y ago

So much for it being “dropped” I guess. It looks like they are going to force this through one way or another, and the only option is to resist by any means possible. I am in the US, but I’ll do my best to build and promote tools and services that EU citizens can use to circumvent this.

digitalPhonix 1y ago

I couldn’t find the text of it (unsurprising if it’s being rushed through), but how does it “outlaw anonymous communication”? That sounds even more terrifying than the original chat control! How is this the back door “compromise”?

iamnothere 1y ago
It is here: https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2025/11/2025-11-06_Council_Presidency_LEWP_CSA-R_Presidency-compromise-texts_14092.pdf https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2025/11/2025-11-06_Cou... It is worse than the original.

kaboomshebang 1y ago

This makes me feel pissed off. I used to be Pro EU, now I'm not so sure. (Suddenly I understand Trump voters.)

latexr 1y ago
I’m mad too, but the solution is not to want to vote for someone even worse.
- dmitrygr 1y ago
  >> This makes me feel pissed off. I used to be Pro EU, now I'm not so sure. (Suddenly I understand Trump voters.) > I’m mad too, but the solution is not to want to vote for someone even worse. When trump signs a bill to outlaw encryption, let's talk. Until then, ON THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE trump is very much not "someone even worse"
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FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
The EU itself is mostly an admittedly flawed but good idea. The problem is that too many voters keep going for authoritarianism because of racism and hate.

no_chat_control 1y ago

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

Bender 1y ago

What Now? - Keep your mainstream big platform accounts for discovery and casual conversations. Feed big platforms giga-tons of crap data to give the AI indigestion and diarrhea. - Set up open source platforms to tinker on, share with small groups of friends. Focus on cattle vs kittens keeping servers ephemeral and mostly-stateless. Keep data encrypted and backed up to secure locations, logs in tmpfs or /dev/null. Practice live migrations and secure wipes of old nodes.