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>I think it's safe to say that Valve is about to win the next console generation. For that they need to outsell the Switch 2. 10m units in 6 months. Good luck

>I think it's safe to say that Valve is about to win the next console generation. For that they need to outsell the Switch 2. 10m units in 6 months. Good luck with that.

xena 11mo ago
Nintendo is in its own category in which the other competitor is also Valve. For now Nintendo is winning there.
- lawlessone 11mo ago
  I love great graphics but , Nintendo carved a nice big niche out for themselves by recognizing the constant drive for best graphics is a bit of rat race.
  - esseph 11mo ago
    Nintendo has a tiny library. Steam does not.
    - neighbour 11mo ago
      Steam Deck has a tiny install base. Switch 2 does not. I'm mostly a PC gamer but let's be real here.
      - taeric 11mo ago
        Though, to be fair, my kids steal my Steam Deck from me more often than I try to get the Switch from them. The family share features of the Switch leave a lot to be desired.
        neighbour 11mo ago
        That doesn't change the reality that the Steam Deck is a niche device. I hope that changes though.
      - esseph 11mo ago
        People rarely buy a platform for the platform, they buy the platform to do the thing they want to do. A game is just a genre of software. It is far, far better to have tons of high quality software available for a platform, than to have an amazing platform, but a limited choice of software.
    - throwaway17_17 11mo ago
      Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Starfox, Pokémon, and a few other less super famous and internationally known IP franchises. The core games and their spinoffs make more games than most children can reasonably expected to play through childhood and early adolescence. That the machine then collects dust doesn’t hurt Nintendo because they already sold it. Yes Steam has huge library (my ‘want to play’ list is over 100 titles at this point) full of games of all genres, qualities, and niches. But Nintendo has more than enough to do what they have done for years, i.e. sit tight on their beloved IP and dole it out at varying levels of quality on strictly low end hardware and watch their earning go up.
    - array_key_first 11mo ago
      Very true, but that tiny library happens to occupy like 80% of the biggest IP.
- SchemaLoad 11mo ago
  They have enough first party games which only release on their hardware that people are willing to buy a Switch for nintendo games, and another gaming device for everything else.
  - throwaway17_17 11mo ago
    Sad part is that I would be willing to pay a substantial mark up to be able to play some of those first party titles on my PC, but since my kids have a Switch I just settle for using it. So even if I don’t think I’d buy a console just for their games, I’m gonna end up buying it anyway and Nintendo still wins.
  - throw4847285 11mo ago
    Or the many people like myself who are willing to buy a Switch for Nintendo games and that's their only console.
  - surgical_fire 11mo ago
    Many times what happens is that people buy the Switch for Nintendo games, but since third parties also publish there they just buy games there anyway. Funnily enough, I own a Switch and a PS5. I mostly buy and play on the Switch while the PS5 main function is getting covered in a thin layer of dust.
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bsder 11mo ago
I'm on a Switch and will not move because of the "Game Key Card" bullshit where you have a card but still don't get the files you need to play them game. However, Pokemon guarantees a certain amount of Switch 2 sales--Pokemon ZA sold about 6 million units.
- sunaookami 11mo ago
  That's not an argument in the Steam Machine's case as you have the same situation there (even worse because you can't resell your games).
  - bsder 11mo ago
    You aren't wrong. However, the single digital service that hasn't killed my digital library at some point is Steam. Games that I bought many years ago are still fine. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all killed digital games that I bought. That having been said: I've transferred a lot of my purchasing to GoG. Steam doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.
    - sunaookami 11mo ago
      >Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all killed digital games that I bought. No? All stores are still online. Some don't allow buying new games anymore (DSi Shop, Wii Shop, PS3 store for example) but redownloading still works.

>I think it's safe to say that Valve is about to win the next console generation. For that they need to outsell the Switch 2. 10m units in 6 months. Good luck with that.

xena 11mo ago

Nintendo is in its own category in which the other competitor is also Valve. For now Nintendo is winning there.

lawlessone 11mo ago
I love great graphics but , Nintendo carved a nice big niche out for themselves by recognizing the constant drive for best graphics is a bit of rat race.
- esseph 11mo ago
  Nintendo has a tiny library. Steam does not.
  - neighbour 11mo ago
    Steam Deck has a tiny install base. Switch 2 does not. I'm mostly a PC gamer but let's be real here.
    - taeric 11mo ago
      Though, to be fair, my kids steal my Steam Deck from me more often than I try to get the Switch from them. The family share features of the Switch leave a lot to be desired.
      - neighbour 11mo ago
        That doesn't change the reality that the Steam Deck is a niche device. I hope that changes though.
    - esseph 11mo ago
      People rarely buy a platform for the platform, they buy the platform to do the thing they want to do. A game is just a genre of software. It is far, far better to have tons of high quality software available for a platform, than to have an amazing platform, but a limited choice of software.
  - throwaway17_17 11mo ago
    Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Starfox, Pokémon, and a few other less super famous and internationally known IP franchises. The core games and their spinoffs make more games than most children can reasonably expected to play through childhood and early adolescence. That the machine then collects dust doesn’t hurt Nintendo because they already sold it. Yes Steam has huge library (my ‘want to play’ list is over 100 titles at this point) full of games of all genres, qualities, and niches. But Nintendo has more than enough to do what they have done for years, i.e. sit tight on their beloved IP and dole it out at varying levels of quality on strictly low end hardware and watch their earning go up.
  - array_key_first 11mo ago
    Very true, but that tiny library happens to occupy like 80% of the biggest IP.
SchemaLoad 11mo ago
They have enough first party games which only release on their hardware that people are willing to buy a Switch for nintendo games, and another gaming device for everything else.
- throwaway17_17 11mo ago
  Sad part is that I would be willing to pay a substantial mark up to be able to play some of those first party titles on my PC, but since my kids have a Switch I just settle for using it. So even if I don’t think I’d buy a console just for their games, I’m gonna end up buying it anyway and Nintendo still wins.
- throw4847285 11mo ago
  Or the many people like myself who are willing to buy a Switch for Nintendo games and that's their only console.
- surgical_fire 11mo ago
  Many times what happens is that people buy the Switch for Nintendo games, but since third parties also publish there they just buy games there anyway. Funnily enough, I own a Switch and a PS5. I mostly buy and play on the Switch while the PS5 main function is getting covered in a thin layer of dust.

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bsder 11mo ago

I'm on a Switch and will not move because of the "Game Key Card" bullshit where you have a card but still don't get the files you need to play them game. However, Pokemon guarantees a certain amount of Switch 2 sales--Pokemon ZA sold about 6 million units.

sunaookami 11mo ago
That's not an argument in the Steam Machine's case as you have the same situation there (even worse because you can't resell your games).
- bsder 11mo ago
  You aren't wrong. However, the single digital service that hasn't killed my digital library at some point is Steam. Games that I bought many years ago are still fine. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all killed digital games that I bought. That having been said: I've transferred a lot of my purchasing to GoG. Steam doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.
  - sunaookami 11mo ago
    >Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all killed digital games that I bought. No? All stores are still online. Some don't allow buying new games anymore (DSi Shop, Wii Shop, PS3 store for example) but redownloading still works.