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> Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? From your mouth to Tim Cook's ear, friend.
by CobrastanJorji 1y ago
> Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer?
From your mouth to Tim Cook's ear, friend.
- archon810 1y agoAnd Sundar's too with the latest BS about Android sideloading.
- preisschild 1y agoTbf at least Android is open source and AOSP itself doesnt have this limitation
- 0cf8612b2e1e 1y agoSort of. Google has slowly migrated all essential services into closed source libraries they control.
- drnick1 1y agoThis isn't quite true. My GrapheneOS phone isn't lacking any "essential service." The only issue is that some apps distributed through the Play Store (or an alternative frontend like Aurora) that depend on proprietary Google libraries won't work. But this is a problem that rests with the developers of the apps, not AOSP per se.
- preisschild 1y agoBeen using AOSP without Google Mobile Services for a decade now (LineageOS and GrapheneOS) without needing those "essential services"
- bnjms 1y agoTbf I haven’t heard any news that Alphabet is requiring all sellers that paid off phones to be able to change to AOSP.
- GeekyBear 1y agoIs Google going to require that device makers provide unlocked bootloaders?
- nobankai 1y ago[dead]
- Larrikin 1y agoIt may be too late, but its probably a good idea to to shift the language and start saying installing software on your own device. Google likes the term sideloading because it implies its a weird hack to not get all your software from their store.
- GeekyBear 1y agoMacs do allow both of those things. Valve is even borrowing some of the work done for the Mac version of Linux to add support for Proton on ARM hardware. > Gaming on Linux on M1 is here! We’re thrilled to release our Asahi game playing toolkit, which integrates our Vulkan 1.3 drivers with x86 emulation and Windows compatibility. https://rosenzweig.io/blog/aaa-gaming-on-m1.html https://rosenzweig.io/blog/aaa-gaming-on-m1.html
- drnick1 1y ago> Gaming on Linux on M1 is here! We’re thrilled to release our Asahi game playing toolkit That certainly isn't thanks to Apple
- GeekyBear 1y agoApple gets the credit for designing a bootloader that allows you to run a third party unsigned OS without degrading device security when you do boot into MacOS. Applying the security settings per partition instead of per device is much more flexible, and you don't have to worry about Microsoft controlling which OS signing keys are valid.
- SchemaLoad 1y agoIt's uncharacteristic of them and better than nothing. But simply not blocking the installation of a 3rd party OS should be the bare minimum required by law. Ideally Apple would publish documentation on the hardware so it didn't have to be reverse engineered.
- iAMkenough 1y agoAlthough changes made since have left M3 and newer unsupported by the solution for the first two generations of their design.
- cherryteastain 1y ago> designing a bootloader that allows you to run a third party unsigned OS Oh thank you master for allowing me to boot a different OS! Being allowed to run whatever OS you want on your device is a right, not something you should need permission for.
- foxandmouse 1y agoThat said, when are we going to get a public release for SteamOS? …There’s a joke somewhere about them reaching SteamOS 3
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- otikik 1y agoHalf-Life 3 confirmed
- shayway 1y agoIt's always been public: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-42... https://gitlab.com/evlaV/holo-PKGBUILD https://gitlab.com/evlaV/holo-PKGBUILD
- lelandfe 1y ago> These public repositories (@gitlab.com/evlaV) are an unmodified 1:1 public copy/mirror of Valve's latest (currently private) SteamOS 3.x (holo) GitLab repositories This sure reads like it's private
- shayway 1y agoYou can download it and install images freely. The source code is private but available.
- _bernd 1y ago> I dunno if I'd characterize this as "public" Then define public and state what's wrong with this repo which conflicts from your definition of public. For me this looks like a fine public resource and after a short glimpse it looks like that you should be able to even build this effing source code from this repo. Edit ps. If you edit your own content then please leave a note about what you have changed please
- danudey 1y agoYeah, imagine if you could install a different operating system on your Mac! What a world that would be! Worth noting that this is a dig against the other consoles which do not allow this, not Apple who (in part) does.
- bigyabai 1y agoApple can revoke it at any time. If a future update disabled or changed iBoot, there is no guarantee Linux would ever run again (unlike UEFI Macs). Valve is not like Apple, they treat UEFI as a default.
- jsheard 1y agoApple giving you more than consoles do is damning with faint praise, the Mac bootloader is technically open but without any public hardware documentation it's borderline impossible to do anything useful with that. Asahi have done incredible work but even they are still catching up with the M3, nevermind the current M5.
- patrickdavey 1y agoWill it be possible to play retroarch games too? (i.e. the old SNES/NES games) etc. ?
- egypturnash 1y agoI sure have installed a bunch of emulators on my Deck. It’s not too hard to get individual games to show up in the main Steam menu, iirc. Haven’t really fiddled with them since initial setup though.
- SparkBomb 1y agoRetroarch is already on Steam as well as other emulators. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/ Even if you didn't want to use the Steam versions. Steam OS is essentially a customised Arch Linux and you can install stuff as you would on other Linux distros e.g. via packages and flathub. Basically it is a regular computer underneath. That is why I am very excited about this Steam box. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/guides/view/how-to-install-extra-software-apps-and-games-on-steamos-and-steam-deck/ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/guides/view/how-to-install-ext...
- theoldgreybeard 1y agoIsn't SteamOS immutable? Can you layer packages on it like you can with Fedora Silverblue?
- pico303 1y agoOn the Steam Deck you boot into desktop mode and it’s a standard Linux. Install what you want. I have Heroic Launcher on mine, running games from GOG and Epic alongside Steam games.
- entropicdrifter 1y agoYou can add packages, but they can be wiped by the updates. Flatpaks work seamlessly and because of the Deck's popularity, most everything you would want is available in flatpak form
- miffy900 1y agoThey can afford to make a big song and dance about this because chances are they are not selling the hardware at a loss and they have the regular steam store to offset the short term costs. If they were selling the hardware at a loss, I think their marketing trying to sell this device would be very different.
- stogot 1y agoIs Apple selling their hardware at a loss?
- culi 1y agoNo, but I think the primary comparison is meant to be other major consoles (xbox, playstation, nintendo)
- tormeh 1y agoSort of, maybe. I read it more as them assuring everyone that it's still a PC if a customer ends up wanting a plan B.
- batiudrami 1y agoI know you are being rhetorical but for reference, of course not, their margin on hardware is 36%
- crossroadsguy 1y agoDo we count socks and slings (Pocket™) as hardware?
- dathinab 1y agothey probably will handle it like with the Steam Deck - no loss - but small profit margin anyway, to max reduce the price, to max increase adoption/reach for Valve people using Steam on non Windows platforms is more important then making a big buck from Steam Machines (because this makes them less dependent on Windows, MS has tried(and failed) to move into the direction of killing 3rd party app stores before, and Windows has gotten ... crappy/bloated/ad-infested which is in the end a existential risk for Valve because if everyone moves away from PC gaming they will lose out hugely)
- culi 1y agoI haven't gamed in almost a decade but what an exciting time to be alive as a PC gamer: - almost every classic console is easy to emulate - most modern consoles are, less-legally, emulatable - we have thorough archives of Flash games and ofc almost all non-flash web games are still functioning - cross compatibility across OS's has never been better And, best of all, almost all of this is achievable on Linux! You can also plug in almost any controller, VR headset, or monitor/projector. Remote gaming has also made incredible progress allowing gamers to access their expansive libraries while not even at home. In fact, I can't think of a single thing a console can do that a PC can't
- agoodusername63 1y ago> - most modern consoles are, less-legally, emulatable wheres the PS4 or like, any xbox emulator? It's just Nintendo that has modern, usable emulators for most of the games you'd want to play. xbox never got lucky for basically any of their consoles and Sony never got anything usable after PS3.
- MegaDeKay 1y ago> wheres the PS4 - early days, but ShadPS4 > any xbox emulator - OG XBox: xemu - XBox 360: xenia - XBox 1: early days but WinDurango and XWine1
- agoodusername63 1y agonone of these consoles are "usable" I'm pretty into emulation. It's very misleading to claim that "modern consoles are emulatable" when no, only nintendo has emulators you can boot up, pick from a very large list of compatible games, and have a consistent experience that any sane person would want out of these. Sony disappears after PS3 and xbox... well I guess xemu is Fine, but you're going to play for an hour and then come to the conclusion that you're better off hooking up the old console
- entropicdrifter 1y ago