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Newsflash: A lot of people live in rural England, rural Ontario and Rural Holland. Besides, it can't find places like central station in Amsterdam (hardly rural

by st0p 14y ago

Newsflash: A lot of people live in rural England, rural Ontario and Rural Holland. Besides, it can't find places like central station in Amsterdam (hardly rural). I don't care whether it's the app or the data, I don't care that it's working great in the bay area. What I do care about is that I had a perfectly working mapping solution, and now I have a second class thing that's just not working. I don't know about you, but IMHO having wrong directions is even worse than having no directions.

Bud 14y ago
True, and I granted that point already. However, a lot of people live in China, too, and it's being widely reported that Apple Maps is much better than Google Maps' data, in China. I'll just give one link, but a little googling around proves the point quite well: http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/gadget/314283/apple-maps-better-than-google-in-china http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/gadget/314283/apple-maps-bet... You didn't have a perfectly working solution before, btw; Google Maps still has a lot of errors. And what you have now is both Google Maps (via Safari), and also a new Maps app that is internally superior and relies on a less-mature dataset which will mature quickly and give Google some much-needed motivation to improve its data as well. I'm not sure why this is such a big disaster. Edit: By the way, Apple Maps finds Amsterdam Centraal (not "Central") Station just fine, if you spell it correctly. I just checked; it finds the exact same place as Google Maps.
- Kylekramer 14y ago
  It is being widely reported based on one source (http://anthonydrendel.com/blog/2012/9/24/ios-maps-and-china.html http://anthonydrendel.com/blog/2012/9/24/ios-maps-and-china....) that gets basic facts wrong.
- achompas 14y ago
  You didn't have a perfectly working solution before, btw; Google Maps still has a lot of errors. I don't know if I'd make this comparison. The level of erroneous data in Apple Maps is just insane compared to Google Maps.
  - guywithabike 14y ago
    Depends on where you live: http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps
  - guywithabike 14y ago
    Depends on where you live: http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps
  - guywithabike 14y ago
    Depends on where you live: http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps
tlogan 14y ago
Working great in Bay Area? Who told you that? I was under impression that this all similar to "antena gate" (kinda not big deal), but iOS maps are really really bad even in Bay Area. EDIT: Here is an example: Search for "428 University Ave, Palo Alto": you will end up in Los Gatos.
- awolf 14y ago
  Not in my experience. It's fine here, at least in the city and in Berkeley. No problems aside from a few addresses needing me to add "sf" to them to avoid having them go to different cities (which sometimes also occurred with Google's map data). I'm working on a routing/location based app right now. Out of curiosity could you give examples of what you mean by "really bad"?
- awolf 14y ago
  Ah, I see that too. Clearly problematic since there doesn't seem to be a way at all to load up the intended 428 University Ave address. No good. Still though, "really really bad" makes me think you have experienced many other issues. I'm genuinely curious about how Maps performs in the places it is "supposed" to be at least passable. Got any other examples? Meta: please don't edit your comments to respond to sub-comments. It makes the flow of the conversation very difficult to follow and makes my previous comment seem irrelevant and out of place.
  - spinchange 14y ago
    Both David Pogue and Anil Dash have written about getting driving directions that takes them to the wrong location in places like New York city. I'm just one user, but if a navigation app takes you the right address in the wrong location in a place like the Bay area or NYC, that's a "really bad" problem.
- cwe 14y ago
  Ironic that as I tested out that address example, I noticed an Apple story across the street from the actual address.
- st0p 14y ago

by st0p 14y ago

Bud 14y ago

True, and I granted that point already. However, a lot of people live in China, too, and it's being widely reported that Apple Maps is much better than Google Maps' data, in China. I'll just give one link, but a little googling around proves the point quite well: http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/gadget/314283/apple-maps-better-than-google-in-china http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/gadget/314283/apple-maps-bet... You didn't have a perfectly working solution before, btw; Google Maps still has a lot of errors. And what you have now is both Google Maps (via Safari), and also a new Maps app that is internally superior and relies on a less-mature dataset which will mature quickly and give Google some much-needed motivation to improve its data as well. I'm not sure why this is such a big disaster. Edit: By the way, Apple Maps finds Amsterdam Centraal (not "Central") Station just fine, if you spell it correctly. I just checked; it finds the exact same place as Google Maps.

Kylekramer 14y ago
It is being widely reported based on one source (http://anthonydrendel.com/blog/2012/9/24/ios-maps-and-china.html http://anthonydrendel.com/blog/2012/9/24/ios-maps-and-china....) that gets basic facts wrong.
achompas 14y ago
You didn't have a perfectly working solution before, btw; Google Maps still has a lot of errors. I don't know if I'd make this comparison. The level of erroneous data in Apple Maps is just insane compared to Google Maps.
- guywithabike 14y ago
  Depends on where you live: http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps
- guywithabike 14y ago
  Depends on where you live: http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps
- guywithabike 14y ago
  Depends on where you live: http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps http://vore.cc/post/32503374905/old-maps-vs-new-maps

tlogan 14y ago

Working great in Bay Area? Who told you that? I was under impression that this all similar to "antena gate" (kinda not big deal), but iOS maps are really really bad even in Bay Area. EDIT: Here is an example: Search for "428 University Ave, Palo Alto": you will end up in Los Gatos.

awolf 14y ago
Not in my experience. It's fine here, at least in the city and in Berkeley. No problems aside from a few addresses needing me to add "sf" to them to avoid having them go to different cities (which sometimes also occurred with Google's map data). I'm working on a routing/location based app right now. Out of curiosity could you give examples of what you mean by "really bad"?
awolf 14y ago
Ah, I see that too. Clearly problematic since there doesn't seem to be a way at all to load up the intended 428 University Ave address. No good. Still though, "really really bad" makes me think you have experienced many other issues. I'm genuinely curious about how Maps performs in the places it is "supposed" to be at least passable. Got any other examples? Meta: please don't edit your comments to respond to sub-comments. It makes the flow of the conversation very difficult to follow and makes my previous comment seem irrelevant and out of place.
- spinchange 14y ago
  Both David Pogue and Anil Dash have written about getting driving directions that takes them to the wrong location in places like New York city. I'm just one user, but if a navigation app takes you the right address in the wrong location in a place like the Bay area or NYC, that's a "really bad" problem.
cwe 14y ago
Ironic that as I tested out that address example, I noticed an Apple story across the street from the actual address.
st0p 14y ago