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Snapdragon doesn't really have a good history of supporting proper desktop games. Windows for ARM had kinda bad compatibility. It seems the aim is to have most

Snapdragon doesn't really have a good history of supporting proper desktop games. Windows for ARM had kinda bad compatibility. It seems the aim is to have most games just be playable like with the Deck. Fingers crossed but I have some reservations.

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phantasmish 1y ago
Their new mini PC isn’t ARM (the Frame is, though), it’s AMD hardware like the Steam Deck. Appears to be x86, should play basically anything in my library at 1080p or higher as long as it works under SteamOS.
- torginus 1y ago
  I know but the Frame supports regular x86 games as well in standalone mode.
  - klohto 1y ago
    you run FEX, not direct ARM games
    - torginus 1y ago
      That doesn't magically fix the Qualcomm GPU or the drivers.
      - klohto 1y ago
        I don’t think you will be on latest nightly. LTS are good and stable, if FEX is targeting those specs I don’t see a stability issue.
      - scheeseman486 1y ago
        The GPU is fine and the drivers Valve are using, if their past hardware is any indication, will be open source. Doesn't magically fix them, but it does allow for Valve to fix them.
        surajrmal 1y ago
        If valve can convince Qualcomm to open source their GPU drivers I will eat a banana peel. They would need to write a new one from scratch (or reuse freedreno, but those are going to have performance issues).
        scheeseman486 1y ago
        Not the first time Valve funded the development of FOSS drivers. They've already done so with Intel's Vulkan stack on Linux, AMD (AMDGPU) and Nvidia (NVK). SteamOS's core functionality leans heavily on Mesa and there's been a lot of commits for the Adreno 750 lately, mostly coming from Linaro.
        surajrmal 1y ago
        Fair enough. The problem is usually in terms of getting enough documentation and help to do this in a cost effective manner. If they manage to pull it off, I will start to second guess every phone OEM who seems to not go down this road.
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        It kinda does. Qualcomm's DirectX drivers were the big issue, and Valve is using Mesa instead.

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phantasmish 1y ago

Their new mini PC isn’t ARM (the Frame is, though), it’s AMD hardware like the Steam Deck. Appears to be x86, should play basically anything in my library at 1080p or higher as long as it works under SteamOS.

torginus 1y ago
I know but the Frame supports regular x86 games as well in standalone mode.
- klohto 1y ago
  you run FEX, not direct ARM games
  - torginus 1y ago
    That doesn't magically fix the Qualcomm GPU or the drivers.
    - klohto 1y ago
      I don’t think you will be on latest nightly. LTS are good and stable, if FEX is targeting those specs I don’t see a stability issue.
    - scheeseman486 1y ago
      The GPU is fine and the drivers Valve are using, if their past hardware is any indication, will be open source. Doesn't magically fix them, but it does allow for Valve to fix them.
      - surajrmal 1y ago
        If valve can convince Qualcomm to open source their GPU drivers I will eat a banana peel. They would need to write a new one from scratch (or reuse freedreno, but those are going to have performance issues).
        scheeseman486 1y ago
        Not the first time Valve funded the development of FOSS drivers. They've already done so with Intel's Vulkan stack on Linux, AMD (AMDGPU) and Nvidia (NVK). SteamOS's core functionality leans heavily on Mesa and there's been a lot of commits for the Adreno 750 lately, mostly coming from Linaro.
        surajrmal 1y ago
        Fair enough. The problem is usually in terms of getting enough documentation and help to do this in a cost effective manner. If they manage to pull it off, I will start to second guess every phone OEM who seems to not go down this road.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      It kinda does. Qualcomm's DirectX drivers were the big issue, and Valve is using Mesa instead.