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Docker Compose still takes you 95% of what you need. I wish Docker Swarm survived.

by lxe 11mo ago

Alir3z4 11mo ago
What happened to it? I'm still using it with not a single issue (except when is messes up the iptables rules) I still confidently, upgrade the docker across all the nodes, workers and managers and it just works. Not a single time that it caused an issue.
- lxe 11mo ago
  For some reason I assumed it was unsupported. That doesn't seem to be the case.
  - Cyphus 11mo ago
    The original iteration of Docker Swarm, now known as Classic, is deprecated. Maybe you were thinking of that?
    - lxe 11mo ago
      As I read more about it, yes, that is indeed the case.
- Cyphus 11mo ago
  Docker the company bet big on Swarm being the de facto container orchestration platform for businesses. It just got completely overshadowed by k8s. Swarm continues to exist and be actively developed, but it’s doomed to fade into obscurity.
mkroman 11mo ago
> I wish Docker Swarm survived. I heard good things about Nomad (albeit from before Hashicorp changed their licenses): https://developer.hashicorp.com/nomad https://developer.hashicorp.com/nomad I got the impression it was like a smaller, more opinionated k8s. Like a mix between Docker Swarm and k8s. It's rare that I see it mentioned though, so I'm not sure how big the community is.
- rzerowan 11mo ago
  For better or for worse its a orchestrator (for containers/scripts/jars/baremetal) full stop. Everything else is composable from the rest of the hashicorp stack consul(service mesh and discovery),vault(secrets) allowing you to use as much/or as little as you need and truly able to scale to a large deployment as needed. In the plus column , picking up its config/admin is intuitive in a way that helm/k8s never really comes across. Philosophy wise can put it int the unix way of doing things - it does one thing well and gets out of your way , and you add to it as you need/want. Whereas k8s/heml etc have one way or the high way - leaving you fighting the deployment half the time.
  - hylaride 11mo ago
    Mitchel Hashimoto was a genius when it came to opinionated design and that was Hashicorp's biggest strength when it was part of their culture. It's a shame Nomad couldn't overcome the K8s hype-wagon, but either way IBM is destroying everything good about Hashicorp's products and I would proceed with extreme caution deploying any of their stuff net-new right now...
- lovehashbrowns 11mo ago
  I’d wager that like half the teams (at least) using kubernetes today should be using Nomad instead. Like the team I’m on now where I’m literally the only one familiar with Kubernetes and everyone else only has familiarity with more classic EC2-based patterns. Getting someone to even know what Helm does is its own uphill battle. Nomad is a lot more simple. That’s what I like about it a lot.
KronisLV 11mo ago
> I wish Docker Swarm survived. Using it in prod and also for my personal homelab needs - works pretty well! At the scale you see over here (load typically served on single digit instances and pretty much never needing autoscaling), you really don't need Kubernetes unless you have operational benefits from it. The whole country having less than 2 million people also helps quite a bit.

Docker Compose still takes you 95% of what you need. I wish Docker Swarm survived.

by lxe 11mo ago

Docker Compose still takes you 95% of what you need. I wish Docker Swarm survived.

What happened to it? I'm still using it with not a single issue (except when is messes up the iptables rules) I still confidently, upgrade the docker across all the nodes, workers and managers and it just works. Not a single time that it caused an issue.

lxe 11mo ago
For some reason I assumed it was unsupported. That doesn't seem to be the case.
- Cyphus 11mo ago
  The original iteration of Docker Swarm, now known as Classic, is deprecated. Maybe you were thinking of that?
  - lxe 11mo ago
    As I read more about it, yes, that is indeed the case.
Cyphus 11mo ago
Docker the company bet big on Swarm being the de facto container orchestration platform for businesses. It just got completely overshadowed by k8s. Swarm continues to exist and be actively developed, but it’s doomed to fade into obscurity.

mkroman 11mo ago

> I wish Docker Swarm survived. I heard good things about Nomad (albeit from before Hashicorp changed their licenses): https://developer.hashicorp.com/nomad https://developer.hashicorp.com/nomad I got the impression it was like a smaller, more opinionated k8s. Like a mix between Docker Swarm and k8s. It's rare that I see it mentioned though, so I'm not sure how big the community is.

rzerowan 11mo ago
For better or for worse its a orchestrator (for containers/scripts/jars/baremetal) full stop. Everything else is composable from the rest of the hashicorp stack consul(service mesh and discovery),vault(secrets) allowing you to use as much/or as little as you need and truly able to scale to a large deployment as needed. In the plus column , picking up its config/admin is intuitive in a way that helm/k8s never really comes across. Philosophy wise can put it int the unix way of doing things - it does one thing well and gets out of your way , and you add to it as you need/want. Whereas k8s/heml etc have one way or the high way - leaving you fighting the deployment half the time.
- hylaride 11mo ago
  Mitchel Hashimoto was a genius when it came to opinionated design and that was Hashicorp's biggest strength when it was part of their culture. It's a shame Nomad couldn't overcome the K8s hype-wagon, but either way IBM is destroying everything good about Hashicorp's products and I would proceed with extreme caution deploying any of their stuff net-new right now...
lovehashbrowns 11mo ago
I’d wager that like half the teams (at least) using kubernetes today should be using Nomad instead. Like the team I’m on now where I’m literally the only one familiar with Kubernetes and everyone else only has familiarity with more classic EC2-based patterns. Getting someone to even know what Helm does is its own uphill battle. Nomad is a lot more simple. That’s what I like about it a lot.

KronisLV 11mo ago

> I wish Docker Swarm survived. Using it in prod and also for my personal homelab needs - works pretty well! At the scale you see over here (load typically served on single digit instances and pretty much never needing autoscaling), you really don't need Kubernetes unless you have operational benefits from it. The whole country having less than 2 million people also helps quite a bit.