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Perhaps more a reaction to pressure from Tesla; the latest FSD builds show full autonomy is coming very soon. Without highway driving, Waymo would quickly be se
by lumens 11mo ago
Perhaps more a reaction to pressure from Tesla; the latest FSD builds show full autonomy is coming very soon. Without highway driving, Waymo would quickly be seen as a distant second in the race when the safety driver is removed from Robotaxis in Austin (supposedly before EOY 2025).
- eloncuck 11mo ago[flagged]
- lumens 11mo agoTruly curious - have you tried it recently?
- eloncuck 11mo agoDaily. I'm still unable to leave my culdesac without phantom leaves causing phantom braking. There was a time when I believed in the hype, I'm less skeptical than most. But the evidence now is incontrovertible.
- lumens 11mo agoI assume this is not a HW4 vehicle? I am empathetic to the disappointment of older vehicle owners who have been promised this capability for years and still don't see it (because their hardware just can't -- and the hardware upgrade isn't coming either). That said, the new Y with 14.1.x really does do as claimed.
- eloncuck 11mo ago2024 MY with HW4. I've been through all the shenanigans, updates, sending logs, etc etc. I'm done with it, and it'll take a lot of evidence to convince me that people reporting it's great don't have either a financial interest in TSLA, poor memory, or the easiest daily route.
- senordevnyc 11mo agoThese threads always give me deja vu. I've been reading these exact comments for a decade. Only the version numbers change. But yes, I'm sure any day now.
- wstrange 11mo agoI have HW4, and have tried FSD with every major release. It works brilliantly, 99.5% of the time. The issue is that the failure mode is catastrophic. Like getting confused with the lane marking and driving off the shoulder. And the complete inability to read construction zone signs (blasting through a 50 KM zone at 100 KM). I'm deeply skeptical that the current sensor suite and hardware is going to have enough compute power to safely drive without supervision. It will no doubt improve, but until Tesla steps up and assumes liability for any accident, it's just not "full self driving".
- dzhiurgis 11mo ago> The issue is that the failure mode is catastrophic. Given FSD does at least 10x more miles than Waymo, we'd see people getting killed themselves daily. Instead we see tons of videos on Waymo erratic behavior and crashes. Something doesn't add up.
- 7e 11mo agoUm, 100% of these Teslas have human drivers behind the wheel, constantly saving themselves, Tesla, and the innocent public from very bad outcomes. Waymos operate autonomously with tens of thousands of miles driven between interventions. Contrast with 13 miles or less with Tesla.
- dzhiurgis 11mo agoWaymo had safety drivers, it's California law. In Texas safety person is in passenger seat. He can and does intervene.
- TulliusCicero 11mo agoThis is how the Tesla superfans treat every single new FSD version. FSD 18 is out, 17 is garbage for babies, 18 is amazing! Wait, 19 just released, why are you still talking about 18, that shit was never gonna work, it's 19 that's nearly at unsupervised driving! Wait a second, 20 just came out...
- boulos 11mo agoNot at all. We've been working on this for a while, and we're now comfortable with the reliability bar we've hit to begin a gradual rollout to the public. As people said, this has been years in the making.
- TulliusCicero 11mo ago"Ignore the previous eighteen wildly off predictions; this time we got it for sure!" Note, in July of this year, Musk predicted robotaxi service for half the country by the end of 2025. It's November now and they haven't even removed the safety monitors, in any city!
- dzhiurgis 11mo ago> how dare they beta test this on public > they haven't even removed safety drivers, loooosers! Can't win either of you guys.
- TulliusCicero 11mo agoI didn't say either of those things, but I understand that engaging with what I said instead of just strawmanning my position would be rather inconvenient for you.