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> Yesterday, I checked out the Goodnotes app because I’m planning to buy an iPad to give note-taking on it a try again. You're setting yourself up for failure

> Yesterday, I checked out the Goodnotes app because I’m planning to buy an iPad to give note-taking on it a try again. You're setting yourself up for failure from the get go, stop chasing gadgets and 99% of your problems will go away

crowbahr 1y ago
Counterpoint: my e-ink tablet for note taking has been a huge boon for my productivity both in and out of work
- NooneAtAll3 1y ago
  do you use it as a notepad? why not to use actual notepad instead?
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    They get lost. They aren't backed up. You can't search them. They run out of pages precisely when you forget to bring another one. You can't reorder pages. There's no easy way to keep professional and personal notes separate without carrying two notebooks, or keep them separated and organized by subject without carrying even more of them. Etc etc.
    - cesarb 1y ago
      > You can't reorder pages. [...] or keep them separated and organized by subject without carrying even more of them. It's instructive to think on how this was done in the pre-computer era. We used ring binders, which allow one to easily re-order pages, and group them by subject. > They run out of pages precisely when you forget to bring another one. The tablet equivalent is running out of battery when you need it the most.
      - crazygringo 1y ago
        I've never in my life seen anyone take notes on loose leaf sheets in a ring binder -- not now, and not when I was in school in the pre-computer era. They're not very ergonomic and the holes rip easily on thin note paper. There's a reason everyone always uses spiral-bound or glue-bound. So maybe not as instructive as you think. And if you use your tablet regularly, you tend to recharge it every night, and they tend to last all day long. I literally can't remember the last time my tablet ran out of battery. They're not like phones in that way.
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        aworks 1y ago
        I had a boss who took notes on loose leaf sheets, so he could easily discard them. He had been in multiple prior lawsuits.
        abanana 1y ago
        My mouth actually dropped open reading that first line. When I was at university around the year 2000, it was the way the majority of us made our lecture notes. (Another advantage: it makes it easy for someone to unclip a few pages to lend to you when you missed a lecture.)
        crazygringo 1y ago
        That's wild to me. Maybe it's a UK or European thing, judging from the way you say "at university"? In the US, at least everywhere I went to school, the loose three-hole pages were strictly for homework, so you could hand it in and then put it in your binder once you got it back. Notes were almost always in spiral-bound notebooks so you could flip the left side underneath, so it wouldn't take up as much space and it could angle it well for writing. A few people would use glue-bound notebooks that couldn't, but those were usually much smaller for that reason (and often more expensive). Would you take each sheet out of the binder before writing? It seems like that would be the only way to do it, otherwise it slides around too much?
  - skeeter2020 1y ago
    my daughter uses her ipad for school while I used a paper notebook. She gets way better grades than I ever did. Could she do as well with paper and a pen? maybe - probably? but I've got no leverage...
  - crowbahr 1y ago
    A few reasons: 1. I struggle keeping Notepads around and organized. I had dozens before and couldn't remember where I took which notes. 2. Notepads don't allow me to download a 100 page document and mark it up. I'd have to print it all out. Physical media is great but it's also messy.
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- lm28469 1y ago
  I don't spend my life chasing productivity so that might explain why I find all of this borderline deranged.
  - crowbahr 1y ago
    I care because I only have this life so why waste time on inefficiency? When I'm talking productivity I'm including things like "it lets me keep notes of what I was doing in Else Ring so I can pick my playthrough back up easily". Not all productivity is capitalist.

crowbahr 1y ago

Counterpoint: my e-ink tablet for note taking has been a huge boon for my productivity both in and out of work

NooneAtAll3 1y ago
do you use it as a notepad? why not to use actual notepad instead?
- crazygringo 1y ago
  They get lost. They aren't backed up. You can't search them. They run out of pages precisely when you forget to bring another one. You can't reorder pages. There's no easy way to keep professional and personal notes separate without carrying two notebooks, or keep them separated and organized by subject without carrying even more of them. Etc etc.
  - cesarb 1y ago
    > You can't reorder pages. [...] or keep them separated and organized by subject without carrying even more of them. It's instructive to think on how this was done in the pre-computer era. We used ring binders, which allow one to easily re-order pages, and group them by subject. > They run out of pages precisely when you forget to bring another one. The tablet equivalent is running out of battery when you need it the most.
    - crazygringo 1y ago
      I've never in my life seen anyone take notes on loose leaf sheets in a ring binder -- not now, and not when I was in school in the pre-computer era. They're not very ergonomic and the holes rip easily on thin note paper. There's a reason everyone always uses spiral-bound or glue-bound. So maybe not as instructive as you think. And if you use your tablet regularly, you tend to recharge it every night, and they tend to last all day long. I literally can't remember the last time my tablet ran out of battery. They're not like phones in that way.
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      - aworks 1y ago
        I had a boss who took notes on loose leaf sheets, so he could easily discard them. He had been in multiple prior lawsuits.
      - abanana 1y ago
        My mouth actually dropped open reading that first line. When I was at university around the year 2000, it was the way the majority of us made our lecture notes. (Another advantage: it makes it easy for someone to unclip a few pages to lend to you when you missed a lecture.)
        crazygringo 1y ago
        That's wild to me. Maybe it's a UK or European thing, judging from the way you say "at university"? In the US, at least everywhere I went to school, the loose three-hole pages were strictly for homework, so you could hand it in and then put it in your binder once you got it back. Notes were almost always in spiral-bound notebooks so you could flip the left side underneath, so it wouldn't take up as much space and it could angle it well for writing. A few people would use glue-bound notebooks that couldn't, but those were usually much smaller for that reason (and often more expensive). Would you take each sheet out of the binder before writing? It seems like that would be the only way to do it, otherwise it slides around too much?
- skeeter2020 1y ago
  my daughter uses her ipad for school while I used a paper notebook. She gets way better grades than I ever did. Could she do as well with paper and a pen? maybe - probably? but I've got no leverage...
- crowbahr 1y ago
  A few reasons: 1. I struggle keeping Notepads around and organized. I had dozens before and couldn't remember where I took which notes. 2. Notepads don't allow me to download a 100 page document and mark it up. I'd have to print it all out. Physical media is great but it's also messy.
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lm28469 1y ago
I don't spend my life chasing productivity so that might explain why I find all of this borderline deranged.
- crowbahr 1y ago
  I care because I only have this life so why waste time on inefficiency? When I'm talking productivity I'm including things like "it lets me keep notes of what I was doing in Else Ring so I can pick my playthrough back up easily". Not all productivity is capitalist.