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The project has been hungry for years. There was a fork to clean up and secure the implementation: https://ntpsec.org https://ntpsec.org and ideally they would

The project has been hungry for years. There was a fork to clean up and secure the implementation: https://ntpsec.org https://ntpsec.org and ideally they would combine forces. Summarized here: https://lwn.net/Articles/713901 https://lwn.net/Articles/713901

tptacek 1y ago
Yeah the ntpsec story, not great. I don't believe they're taken especially seriously. There are people close to Harlan Stenn who believe the project is essentially fraudulent.
- BigTTYGothGF 1y ago
  > the project is essentially fraudulent Even if it's not, ESR is involved so it's not serious.
  - imglorp 1y ago
    So, I understand first hand ESR might be a little, uh, eccentric, when dealing with humans. But it seems that his nerding, taken by itself, is pretty solid. Is that not the case?
    - tptacek 1y ago
      No, I don't think it is.
    - acdha 1y ago
      It’s fairly limited: taking over maintenance for popmail or forking NTPSec certainly isn’t nothing but his reputation is built on the Cathedral and Bazaar essay getting attention at the right time in the 90s when open source was really taking off and his subsequent OSI work. I’d wager that an order of magnitude more people heard about fetchmail from his writing rather than the other way around. That’s not to say that his open source projects aren’t useful, only that there are thousands of other developers who’ve done work of similar scale and adoption.
    - BigTTYGothGF 1y ago
      > Is that not the case? Not really, see forex the reposurgeon nonsense. https://www.phoronix.com/news/GCC-Git-Not-Yet-Settled https://www.phoronix.com/news/GCC-Git-Not-Yet-Settled
- chocalot 1y ago
  An ntpd-rs contributor elsewhere in the thread suggests ntpsec is used by many distributions, and suggests donating to ntpsec (amongst some other organisations). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45900184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45900184
  - akerl_ 1y ago
    Every distribution I've seen is using chrony or systemd-timesyncd. Is there a distribution that's actually using ntpsec?

tptacek 1y ago

Yeah the ntpsec story, not great. I don't believe they're taken especially seriously. There are people close to Harlan Stenn who believe the project is essentially fraudulent.

BigTTYGothGF 1y ago
> the project is essentially fraudulent Even if it's not, ESR is involved so it's not serious.
- imglorp 1y ago
  So, I understand first hand ESR might be a little, uh, eccentric, when dealing with humans. But it seems that his nerding, taken by itself, is pretty solid. Is that not the case?
  - tptacek 1y ago
    No, I don't think it is.
  - acdha 1y ago
    It’s fairly limited: taking over maintenance for popmail or forking NTPSec certainly isn’t nothing but his reputation is built on the Cathedral and Bazaar essay getting attention at the right time in the 90s when open source was really taking off and his subsequent OSI work. I’d wager that an order of magnitude more people heard about fetchmail from his writing rather than the other way around. That’s not to say that his open source projects aren’t useful, only that there are thousands of other developers who’ve done work of similar scale and adoption.
  - BigTTYGothGF 1y ago
    > Is that not the case? Not really, see forex the reposurgeon nonsense. https://www.phoronix.com/news/GCC-Git-Not-Yet-Settled https://www.phoronix.com/news/GCC-Git-Not-Yet-Settled
chocalot 1y ago
An ntpd-rs contributor elsewhere in the thread suggests ntpsec is used by many distributions, and suggests donating to ntpsec (amongst some other organisations). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45900184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45900184
- akerl_ 1y ago
  Every distribution I've seen is using chrony or systemd-timesyncd. Is there a distribution that's actually using ntpsec?