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Your numbers are off. Grace period (as you have pointed out somewhat) varies by registrar. The basis for what you are saying is how long a registrar has to del

by larrys 14y ago

Your numbers are off. Grace period (as you have pointed out somewhat) varies by registrar. The basis for what you are saying is how long a registrar has to delete the domain before they can get their money refunded. That time period is 45 days. So on the expiration date the registrar is automatically charged for the renewal. If they delete on day 45 (by a certain time depending on when registered) they will have their fee refunded. Consequently they can give a grace period if they want of up to 45 days but from a practical standpoint it's tricky to wait until the last minute before deleting (if you have a system problem on day 44 that prevents you from deleting 2000 names you're stuck with them). After they delete the domain (which can theoretically be anytime and keep in mind that "delete" is different than "take off line" "change ownership" etc.) it goes into redemption. It is in redemption for 30 days during which only the sponsoring registrar can submit the necessary report to get the domain back. With .com .net .org .info the cost for the registrar to get the name out of redemption is $40 plus the renewal fee. Once 30 days have past it is in pending delete and goes into a 5 day black hole where nothing happens and not even the sponsoring registrar can get it back. After that 5 day period it's released and anyone can grab it, first come first serve. nodejs.org as I pointed out elsewhere was simply taken offline. It wasn't "deleted" in the sense that it goes into redemption. From the registrars point of view this makes sense since it allows them (if they want) to charge a fee to restore the domain w/o having to incur any extra ($40) costs. "the registrars theoretically start dropping the names" The time the domains drop is not controlled by registrars. It's controlled by the registries. The registrars only control (in addition to other things pointed out) when the domain goes offline or gets "deleted" and enters redemption. " it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary" Can't vary it's 30 days.

sturadnidge 14y ago
You start by saying my numbers are off, then agree about the variability of the grace period before stating exactly the same numbers as I did? Thanks for clearing up the redemption period invariability though.
- larrys 14y ago
  You made statements of fact, such as: "here’s how the domain expiry process works." (might have been better to say "here's how I think"). "Domain ‘expires’, and enters a 40 day grace period" although you qualified this saying it like that gives people the wrong impression of your actual knowledge in this area. "After the grace period, it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary, but I have yet to see it " You say "it enters" (like a fact) but then say "it can vary, but I haven't seen it yet". My point isn't to give you a hard time but on HN crowd tends to jump on anything incorrect and it's clear from your summary that you don't have much experience in this area. I've made mistakes when I've said things on HN that I haven't doubled checked or don't know very well. (It's possible of course to even make mistakes on things you know well!)

by larrys 14y ago

sturadnidge 14y ago

You start by saying my numbers are off, then agree about the variability of the grace period before stating exactly the same numbers as I did? Thanks for clearing up the redemption period invariability though.

larrys 14y ago
You made statements of fact, such as: "here’s how the domain expiry process works." (might have been better to say "here's how I think"). "Domain ‘expires’, and enters a 40 day grace period" although you qualified this saying it like that gives people the wrong impression of your actual knowledge in this area. "After the grace period, it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary, but I have yet to see it " You say "it enters" (like a fact) but then say "it can vary, but I haven't seen it yet". My point isn't to give you a hard time but on HN crowd tends to jump on anything incorrect and it's clear from your summary that you don't have much experience in this area. I've made mistakes when I've said things on HN that I haven't doubled checked or don't know very well. (It's possible of course to even make mistakes on things you know well!)