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I wish people stopped conflating web programming with the whole realm of software development.

• charcircuit 11mo ago
  If you ignore Android / iPhone, where language choice is limited, practically all other development is web.
  • forrestthewoods 11mo ago
    > practically all Define “practically all”. I would accept “clear majority”. But practically all? Nah. I mean the hot new areas for funding right now are AI and robotics neither of which are web! I’m coming up on 20 years professional experience. Exactly none of it has been mobile or web! The programming field is so much bigger than HN likes to pretend.
    • adastra22 11mo ago
      The majority of software is probably Excel macros.
      • egeozcan 11mo ago
        This probably isn't true but I want to read a super geeky dark sci-fi novel that explores this topic.
        • adastra22 11mo ago
          It's not obvious to me that it isn't true. The number of excel spreadsheets world-wide probably vastly outnumbers the number of software projects.
          • egeozcan 11mo ago
            Excel spreadsheets with macros on the other hand aren't THAT many, no? :)
    • charcircuit 11mo ago
      >I mean the hot new areas for funding right now are AI and robotics Most developers are not in such startups. There is a lot of boring software out there which is a website. Even for AI, the first company that comes to mind OpenAI is known for ChatGPT, a web product. Most of the AI companies are building web products.
      • johannes1234321 11mo ago
        That is software with a web interface. Only a small part of OpenAI's work deals with web related things.
        • defraudbah 11mo ago
          how dare you, i summon 10 js engineers from openai to downvote you (they have 6 only)
          • johannes1234321 11mo ago
            I won't fear them teaming up with their FastAPI Python team. They are serious parts of chatgpt experience. But still not core of the work.
  • gishh 11mo ago
    Sure isn’t.
  • adastra22 11mo ago
    Get out of your bubble.
  • fuy 11mo ago
    It's web in a (limited) sense that there's probably a web frontend somewhere, but this "somewhere" is usually pretty far away from where most of the code is developed. Most of the backend logic is not related to serving data for the browsers, it's doing actual backend stuff - communicating to databases, APIs, etc. Is Google search backend a web app? I think it's really stretching the term.
  • egeozcan 11mo ago
    Most of your electronic devices work with embedded software. Production lines, transport gates, cranes, computer hardware, ships, planes, rockets, cars, e-bikes, smart lights... There is also scientific programming, that feeds research and analysis. Weather reports? Statistics, etc. And there is gaming. Devops, infrastructure? Databases? Tools for artists? Most of those aren't web. And yes I've heard of Figma. There are probably tens of categories I'm missing. Web is still bigger probably, but I have a problem with the saying "practically all other development is web".
    • hshdhdhj4444 11mo ago
      I really doubt you’re using .NET (it literally is named in the dotcom style and refers to the interNET) in embedded software. In an article about .Net its fair to talk primarily about creating APIs and other internet focused uses.
      • master-lincoln 11mo ago
        And you just deduct that from the name? Was .NET created with a focus on web? It seems to me like a generic application framework. ASP.NET is the web part, no?
        • hshdhdhj4444 11mo ago
          I didn’t deduce it from the name. I deduced it from over a decade experience working primarily with .Net. Since I can’t presume the reader has equivalent experience, especially in HN, pointing to the name, which should be a good signifier of what something does (to be fair, MS really, really sucks at naming), is a good shorthand. The real reason .Net isn’t good for embedded devices is because MS didn’t develop it for embedded devices. They’ve only added low level memory management in the past few years. Until recently you couldn’t even create a fully statically compiled executable.
          • neonsunset 11mo ago
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  • delta_p_delta_x 11mo ago
    > practically all other development is web This is a pretty ignorant take.