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>You seem to be shifting definitions by moving from native Brits to "indigenous" Brits. Definitions for words you clearly don't understand are not "shifting" a

>You seem to be shifting definitions by moving from native Brits to "indigenous" Brits. Definitions for words you clearly don't understand are not "shifting" anywhere. >And conveniently not responding to the point that native means you're born somewhere. I've responded multiple times, you're refusing to acknowledge it because it destroys your narrative. Native does not mean "you're born somewhere." Many cows are born in the US, yet they are not native there. >The indigenous claim is also funny, because that would refer specifically to Celtic peoples in Britain. No it wouldn't, Celtics displaced Neolithic Iberians before them. Not that it matters, the only extant indigenous group to London are English people, which descend in part from Celtic Britons. >And the modern white British population is not predominantly Celtic, and definitely not indigenous. They're a mix, and definitely indigenous. >The Anglo-Saxons, e.g., are not indigenous to Britain. But English people are. English people are "are an ethnic group and nation native to England." [0] And what group do English people fall under? The "native Brits" DHH mentions. White Brits being "the White population identifying as English, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Northern Irish, or British." [1] Native Brits, more specifically English people, are the only native people indigenous to London. QED. >Which leads to the most hilarious point of your post, where you first equate nationality with skin color (in a particularly misguided way) I never equated nationality with skin color, only ethnic groups. Russians share the same skin color as White Brits, yet are not White Brits, and are not native to London. >White Brits are the only indigenous Brits", and then immediately deny that you are equating nationality with skin color. This is what happens when you get political commentary from Bluesky and Mastodon. You had no clue that White British were an ethnicity grouping, nor did you understand the fact that English people are natives. >That's a decent self-contradiction speedrun. Only of you don't understand the meaning of words, which is clearly the case here. >I don't get it. You clearly hold ethnonationalist views and aren't afraid to express them, so I wonder why you're afraid of admitting that you are an ethnonationalist. Be honest about it. I don't get it. You clearly hold Anglophobic views and aren't afraid to express them, so I wonder why you're afraid of admitting that you are a Marxist Anglophobe. Be honest about it. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British

tovej 11mo ago
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/native https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/native Native quite literally means associated with birth. It does also mean something that's lived somewhere since prehistoric times. If we use the first definition, then white brits and everyone else born in the UK are native. If we use the second definition then neolithic farmers with an Anatolian material culture are native. Since they were replaced there are no natives in that sense in the UK. But there is no interpretation where white brits are native and second generation immigrants aren't.
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- throwawaypath 11mo ago
  >Native quite literally means associated with birth. Yes, and the only current ethnic group birthed in England are the English. British Asians derive their ancestry from Asia, the ethnic group is not native to, nor born from England. They're non-indigenous to the UK/Europe. You inadvertantly proved my point. QED. >If we use the first definition, then white brits and everyone else born in the UK are native. Not at all, the non-native ethnic groups are not native to the UK. Notice how only English people are listed as native to England. >If we use the second definition then neolithic farmers with an Anatolian material culture are native. As are their descendants which are the English. >Since they were replaced there are no natives in that sense in the UK. Their descendants, the native ethnic group known as English people, are native to the UK. >But there is no interpretation where white brits are native and second generation immigrants aren't. Wrong, this is the only interpretation: "The English people are an ethnic group and nation native to England, who speak the English language, a West Germanic language, and share a common ancestry, history, and culture."
  - tovej 11mo ago
    The English are not descended from the neolithic peoples that lived on the British isles. And second generation immigrants are also "birthed" in England (and the rest of the UK). You're just wrong on the basic facts now. But that's no surprise, you're a nazi.

tovej 11mo ago

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/native https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/native Native quite literally means associated with birth. It does also mean something that's lived somewhere since prehistoric times. If we use the first definition, then white brits and everyone else born in the UK are native. If we use the second definition then neolithic farmers with an Anatolian material culture are native. Since they were replaced there are no natives in that sense in the UK. But there is no interpretation where white brits are native and second generation immigrants aren't.

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throwawaypath 11mo ago
>Native quite literally means associated with birth. Yes, and the only current ethnic group birthed in England are the English. British Asians derive their ancestry from Asia, the ethnic group is not native to, nor born from England. They're non-indigenous to the UK/Europe. You inadvertantly proved my point. QED. >If we use the first definition, then white brits and everyone else born in the UK are native. Not at all, the non-native ethnic groups are not native to the UK. Notice how only English people are listed as native to England. >If we use the second definition then neolithic farmers with an Anatolian material culture are native. As are their descendants which are the English. >Since they were replaced there are no natives in that sense in the UK. Their descendants, the native ethnic group known as English people, are native to the UK. >But there is no interpretation where white brits are native and second generation immigrants aren't. Wrong, this is the only interpretation: "The English people are an ethnic group and nation native to England, who speak the English language, a West Germanic language, and share a common ancestry, history, and culture."
- tovej 11mo ago
  The English are not descended from the neolithic peoples that lived on the British isles. And second generation immigrants are also "birthed" in England (and the rest of the UK). You're just wrong on the basic facts now. But that's no surprise, you're a nazi.