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> Conflating the "establishment" into a false monolith is rhetorically convenient. It's also wrong. Nonsense How is a person supposed to tell the fine grained

by worik 1y ago

> Conflating the "establishment" into a false monolith is rhetorically convenient. It's also wrong. Nonsense How is a person supposed to tell the fine grained difference between the perpetrators of cruelty? It is all the establishment. Largely private actors ( doctors, lawyers, school teachers...) backed up with state scantioned violence in the end

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> How is a person supposed to tell the fine grained difference between the perpetrators of cruelty? Not sure what world you’re living in. But in mine, most people are not committing mass murder.
ben_w 1y ago
You appear to be treating "Moderna" as "the establishment", along with lawyers, teachers, and state sanctioned violence, in order to criticise all of them at the same time. Why, then, does "the establishment" (by your conflation of these things) sue itself?
- worik 1y ago
  Why does anybody care? "The establishment" is a relative term. It is all those %!! over there. All those you mention are a part of it, a grinding machine that gobbles up people's lives and destroys them, because rules.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    And every doctor keeping you well (with rules to prevent scam treatment), every teacher educating you (with rules to maintain standards of education), every defence lawyer keeping you from unjust prosecution (with rules requiring people to actually know the laws first), and every civil rights activist and trade union worker trying to make the rules better.
    - worik 1y ago
      > And every doctor keeping you well... ...and blah blah blah You get all those services if you conform and obey.
      - ben_w 1y ago
        And also if you don't.
        worik 1y ago
        No you don't E.g: Waiting in pain with a broken arm in hospital, no pain relief (nitros oxide was the appropriate drug) because you look like you might enjoy it That is my personal experience. So do not lecture me

by worik 1y ago

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> How is a person supposed to tell the fine grained difference between the perpetrators of cruelty? Not sure what world you’re living in. But in mine, most people are not committing mass murder.

ben_w 1y ago

You appear to be treating "Moderna" as "the establishment", along with lawyers, teachers, and state sanctioned violence, in order to criticise all of them at the same time. Why, then, does "the establishment" (by your conflation of these things) sue itself?

worik 1y ago
Why does anybody care? "The establishment" is a relative term. It is all those %!! over there. All those you mention are a part of it, a grinding machine that gobbles up people's lives and destroys them, because rules.
- ben_w 1y ago
  And every doctor keeping you well (with rules to prevent scam treatment), every teacher educating you (with rules to maintain standards of education), every defence lawyer keeping you from unjust prosecution (with rules requiring people to actually know the laws first), and every civil rights activist and trade union worker trying to make the rules better.
  - worik 1y ago
    > And every doctor keeping you well... ...and blah blah blah You get all those services if you conform and obey.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      And also if you don't.
      - worik 1y ago
        No you don't E.g: Waiting in pain with a broken arm in hospital, no pain relief (nitros oxide was the appropriate drug) because you look like you might enjoy it That is my personal experience. So do not lecture me