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> If you made it all the way down here you probably don’t need a summary Love the optimism

by jstummbillig 1y ago

LogicFailsMe 1y ago
I skipped to the end to see if they did any local models. spoilers: they didn't.
- ojr 1y ago
  they are building a product and said the unit economics must make sense, local models have slower latency, unless you run a gpu on for hours which gets expensive fast
  - kalleboo 1y ago
    Local models will make a lot more sense once we have the scale for it, but when your user count is still small paying cents per image is a much better deal than paying for a GPU either in a data center or physically. Local models are definitely something I want to dive into more, if only out of personal interest.
CWuestefeld 1y ago
Honestly, I think it was misfounded. As an photographer and artist myself, I find the OpenAI results head-and-shoulders above the others. It's not perfect, and in a few cases one or the other alternative did better, but if I had to pick one, it would be OpenAI for sure. The gap between their aesthetics and mine makes me question ever using their other products (which is purely academic since I'm not an Apple person).
- Retric 1y ago
  How many of those result did you actually look at? I thought it did ok with the cats, but check the other images and OpenAI strait up failed to do the prompt a large fraction of the time.
  - CWuestefeld 1y ago
    I'm wondering if I read the same article. Yeah, I looked at every single one the results. And although it's been a couple of hours since, I don't recall ANY examples where it completely failed to do anything. Can you point me to an example?
    - Retric 1y ago
      I don’t want to go through every image, for the mountain: It failed Remove background, Isolate the background, long exposed (kept people), Apply a fish-eye lens effect (geometry incorrect), Strong bokeh blur (wrong blur type) Some were more ambiguous. Give it a metallic sheen looked cool but that isn’t a metallic sheen and IMO it just failed ukiyo-e Japanese woodblock print style but I wouldn’t object to calling it a vaguely Japanese style. Compare how colors blend with ukiyo-e woodblocks vs how OpenAI‘a sky is done.
      - CWuestefeld 1y ago
        Removing the background is impossible - or more to the point, it would yield a blank image. There is no foreground in the image, it would wind up removing everything. Which also means that its result for isolate the background is exactly right. Although we might want to argue that the lower part of the image is a midground, that's ambiguous. You're mostly right to criticize the fisheye - it's plausibly a fisheye image, but not one derived from the original. For bokeh, you're right that it got the mountain wrong. But it did get the other samples, and it's the only one that seems to know what bokeh is at all, as the other models got none of them (other than Seadream getting the Newton right). For the "metallic sheen", I assume you mean where they said "give the object a metallic sheen", since the first attempt had OpenAI giving the image itself a quality as if it were printed or etched on metal, arguably correct. But for that second one, for all but the 4th sample, OpenAI did it best for mountain and rubik's cube, and no worse for cats and car. Seadream wins for the Newton. I don't have any knowledge of the Japanese styles requested, so I'm not judging those. I've reviewed your examples, and it hasn't changed my mind.
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> If you made it all the way down here you probably don’t need a summary Love the optimism

LogicFailsMe 1y ago

I skipped to the end to see if they did any local models. spoilers: they didn't.

ojr 1y ago
they are building a product and said the unit economics must make sense, local models have slower latency, unless you run a gpu on for hours which gets expensive fast
- kalleboo 1y ago
  Local models will make a lot more sense once we have the scale for it, but when your user count is still small paying cents per image is a much better deal than paying for a GPU either in a data center or physically. Local models are definitely something I want to dive into more, if only out of personal interest.

CWuestefeld 1y ago

Honestly, I think it was misfounded. As an photographer and artist myself, I find the OpenAI results head-and-shoulders above the others. It's not perfect, and in a few cases one or the other alternative did better, but if I had to pick one, it would be OpenAI for sure. The gap between their aesthetics and mine makes me question ever using their other products (which is purely academic since I'm not an Apple person).

Retric 1y ago
How many of those result did you actually look at? I thought it did ok with the cats, but check the other images and OpenAI strait up failed to do the prompt a large fraction of the time.
- CWuestefeld 1y ago
  I'm wondering if I read the same article. Yeah, I looked at every single one the results. And although it's been a couple of hours since, I don't recall ANY examples where it completely failed to do anything. Can you point me to an example?
  - Retric 1y ago
    I don’t want to go through every image, for the mountain: It failed Remove background, Isolate the background, long exposed (kept people), Apply a fish-eye lens effect (geometry incorrect), Strong bokeh blur (wrong blur type) Some were more ambiguous. Give it a metallic sheen looked cool but that isn’t a metallic sheen and IMO it just failed ukiyo-e Japanese woodblock print style but I wouldn’t object to calling it a vaguely Japanese style. Compare how colors blend with ukiyo-e woodblocks vs how OpenAI‘a sky is done.
    - CWuestefeld 1y ago
      Removing the background is impossible - or more to the point, it would yield a blank image. There is no foreground in the image, it would wind up removing everything. Which also means that its result for isolate the background is exactly right. Although we might want to argue that the lower part of the image is a midground, that's ambiguous. You're mostly right to criticize the fisheye - it's plausibly a fisheye image, but not one derived from the original. For bokeh, you're right that it got the mountain wrong. But it did get the other samples, and it's the only one that seems to know what bokeh is at all, as the other models got none of them (other than Seadream getting the Newton right). For the "metallic sheen", I assume you mean where they said "give the object a metallic sheen", since the first attempt had OpenAI giving the image itself a quality as if it were printed or etched on metal, arguably correct. But for that second one, for all but the 4th sample, OpenAI did it best for mountain and rubik's cube, and no worse for cats and car. Seadream wins for the Newton. I don't have any knowledge of the Japanese styles requested, so I'm not judging those. I've reviewed your examples, and it hasn't changed my mind.
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