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Looks amazing. How does someone with no car tuning / mechanics skills get something like this premade?

bigyabai 1y ago
> someone with no car tuning / mechanics skills I'm just going to pull the band-aid off, you're probably not the target audience for a drag-race sleeper rig.
- squigz 1y ago
  Just crapping on GP's dreams! If he wants to believe he's the target demo for a car that would immediately put him into a wall, let him!
wickedsight 1y ago
Money, lots of money.
- linsomniac 1y ago
  Just to quantify it, most "restomods" start at $100K USD. Decades ago I had a buddy that did something similar with a VW Bug that he did "on the cheap" doing almost all the work himself and things like paint through connections he had, I never talked price on it but it was at least $30K I'd bet and probably more like in the $50Ks, and took around a decade.
hoofhearted 1y ago
Vermont Sports Car. They build all the fast Subarus for everyone; Travis Prastana, Bucky Lasik, Ken Block, Lia Block. The Huckster, the Project Midnight; all them too. https://vtcar.com/ https://vtcar.com/
DebtDeflation 1y ago
Honestly, just learn it like anything else. Understand the basic components of an internal combustion engine (block, crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshafts, cylinder heads, valves, intake and exhaust manifolds), the 4 cycles the engine goes through (intake, compression, power, and exhaust), how fuel delivery and ignition systems work. And then there are tons of resources on tuning and you can get the software for a laptop.
- Grazester 1y ago
  Then there is the building of the engine and understanding clearances for specific applications and RPM's, value train harmonics when thing start getting to crazy high revs like 9500. Still very learnable but outside the scope of standard engine rebuilt stuff.
- yourusername 1y ago
  >Honestly, just learn it like anything else. If you're starting from 0 that's probably a decade long commitment before you're able to start to execute a project like this. There's a youtube series 'project binky' where a pair of professional car tuners rebuild a mini cooper and stuff a Celica engine in it. They already have all the skills, own a shop and all the tools and it still took them years.
  - spike021 1y ago
    similarly, there's a youtube channel called Mighty Car Mods that does builds also and even the ones they "rush" can take months and thousands of work hours from people from multiple disciplines (body repair, paint, electrical work, tuning, etc.). Not cheap at all.
  - jcgrillo 1y ago
    A decade would be very quick. The amount of specialist knowledge that went into every part of this project is crazy.. After a decade's worth of projects I doubt I'd be confident to tackle the steering and suspension design on something like this, let alone all the aero. I've been working on cars for 20yr, I weld, I have done CAD/CAM/CAE stuff, rebuilt and modified engines, done custom suspension work... there are so many aspects of a project like this that are just completely unknown to me, like I wouldn't even know where to start. Many aspects of this build are not things you can really learn or research on your own.
- VintageRobot 1y ago
  It isn't that simple. I've been learning to work on my own car over the last few years. I'm not even doing anything crazy just fixing up an older vehicle and modernising some parts of it (mainly interior). I had to fix the wiper system. The wiper system you would think it wouldn't matter much whether the parts are aftermarket or not. I was very wrong, parts that even look almost identical may not work properly, due to differences in tolerances. There is also different revisions of particular parts and it will become obsolete. You can lose an afternoon on the internet just doing that. Then there is the tools. I've spent about a small fortune on tools. I have 3 torque wrenches, 3 sets of sockets, 3 sets of spanners and loads of weird specialist tools like special pliers. There are many jobs I can't do myself because they needs specialist knowledge to do properly e.g. gearboxes. You have to be prepared to spend potentially years on it and huge amount of money, even on relatively simple projects. There is a reason that a lot of guys get into old 4x4 pickups and do those up, because they are a known quantity and parts are readily available.
Grazester 1y ago
Premade as in have someone built it for you? Well, the same way they did it. You offer up a load of money to a reputable build shop and come back in about 2-5 years depending on how busy they are.
bob1029 1y ago
Unless you would be planning to keep it at a race track, you would not want to own a car like this. It would almost certainly be miserable to drive at legal speeds. That 2.0L engine isn't going to make any useful power below 5-6k RPM. Keeping a turbo like that spooled for any meaningful duration is guaranteed to get you pulled over by the police.
- sandworm101 1y ago
  It is more than the speed potential. This thing is very likely not capable of running pump gas, and has to be running very rich. The cost per mile, just in fuel, would be insane. Also, good luck passing any sort of emissions controls for road use.
  - Reubachi 1y ago
    this vehicle has no interior to speak of, and no lighting to see at night (inside or out) It has no cats, no EGR system, sequential trans etc etc. To original OP of this question, this is closer to a racing speedboat than a race car. More expensive to own than a yacht assuming you want to run it
_yb2s 1y ago
You don’t- without that knowledge you would not know what to pay someone to build and why. It’s also going to be extremely complex and unreliable, and likely not street drivable or street legal.
joncrane 1y ago
Nearly impossible. For the same price and effort, you can probably get a high end Porsche 911 or similar which will be way more practical. The next level up would be to get a modified car from a company that has very strong ties to the manufacturer, such as Ruf with Porsche, Roush or Saleen with Ford Mustangs, etc. Trust me either of those options will be more than anyone but the 1% top skilled or thrill seeking individuals can handle.
jcgrillo 1y ago
Step 1: Get ~$250k+ in cash for the initial build. Step 2: Start learning. If you don't know how to evaluate the work of your builder you may have a few false starts finding someone who can actually do it, which will cost you even more time and money. Step 3: Learn some more. Owning a vehicle like this is a constant development effort. The work will never be "done" so unless you have a mechanic on retainer you will be working on it constantly. In short, unless you have like a million dollars to spend on a toy and staff to keep it running you'll have to shoulder at least some of the effort.
lan321 1y ago
The best way with finite money is racecarsdirect or some other similar platform. Cons are you're getting someone else's project. Pros are they've already sunk stupid money into it. You can get great cars on there if you have someone in the know to bounce deals off of. The best way with infinite money is either some very high end small batch restomod or to even commission one of the large OEMesque motorsport shops to plan and build a one off. Smaller, specialized shops are also an option but the amount of people who're learning on customer vehicles is high and they'll be so hyped to get a large project they'll promise you the moon with entirely good intentions and then fail spectacularly.
VintageRobot 1y ago
You can't, unless you a Saudi billionaire. These things are completely custom, are hugely expensive (why they have sponsors all over them) and often they will have work lined up for literally years. You also wouldn't want one. They cannot be driven on the road really as they aren't legal. They will also break a lot. Generally the more tuned a car is the more maintenance it needs. If you are interested in cars, you are better getting an older vehicle and somewhere to work on it e.g. a garage and working on it as a hobby at the weekends. You will learn a lot more and can actually enjoy it.
- hoofhearted 1y ago
  You can have one built; you just call Vermont Sports Car lol. Yes, price is a major factor. No, you are completely incorrect on street legality; and way far from the truth lol The basis of a WRC rally car is that it is indeed street legal; and is required to be driven on the public roads with a proper license plate in between the stages of the rally.
  - VintageRobot 1y ago
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- acejam 1y ago
  While I agree with your comment about learning more by doing the work yourself, you don't need to be a billionaire to acquire one of these. Yes, they are expensive. A typical pro-level WRC spec WRX STI rally car from Vermont SportsCar goes for about $600k. They are actually very reliable though. And thats a bargain compared to just about any modern hypercar. Rally cars also must be street legal because they are driven on public roads between stages.
  - VintageRobot 1y ago
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RajT88 1y ago
Buy a hooligan car new (or very lightly used) like a WRX STI, or Lancer EVO.

> someone with no car tuning / mechanics skills I'm just going to pull the band-aid off, you're probably not the target audience for a drag-race sleeper rig.

squigz 1y ago
Just crapping on GP's dreams! If he wants to believe he's the target demo for a car that would immediately put him into a wall, let him!

wickedsight 1y ago

Money, lots of money.

linsomniac 1y ago
Just to quantify it, most "restomods" start at $100K USD. Decades ago I had a buddy that did something similar with a VW Bug that he did "on the cheap" doing almost all the work himself and things like paint through connections he had, I never talked price on it but it was at least $30K I'd bet and probably more like in the $50Ks, and took around a decade.

hoofhearted 1y ago

Vermont Sports Car. They build all the fast Subarus for everyone; Travis Prastana, Bucky Lasik, Ken Block, Lia Block. The Huckster, the Project Midnight; all them too. https://vtcar.com/ https://vtcar.com/

DebtDeflation 1y ago

Honestly, just learn it like anything else. Understand the basic components of an internal combustion engine (block, crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshafts, cylinder heads, valves, intake and exhaust manifolds), the 4 cycles the engine goes through (intake, compression, power, and exhaust), how fuel delivery and ignition systems work. And then there are tons of resources on tuning and you can get the software for a laptop.

Grazester 1y ago
Then there is the building of the engine and understanding clearances for specific applications and RPM's, value train harmonics when thing start getting to crazy high revs like 9500. Still very learnable but outside the scope of standard engine rebuilt stuff.
yourusername 1y ago
>Honestly, just learn it like anything else. If you're starting from 0 that's probably a decade long commitment before you're able to start to execute a project like this. There's a youtube series 'project binky' where a pair of professional car tuners rebuild a mini cooper and stuff a Celica engine in it. They already have all the skills, own a shop and all the tools and it still took them years.
- spike021 1y ago
  similarly, there's a youtube channel called Mighty Car Mods that does builds also and even the ones they "rush" can take months and thousands of work hours from people from multiple disciplines (body repair, paint, electrical work, tuning, etc.). Not cheap at all.
- jcgrillo 1y ago
  A decade would be very quick. The amount of specialist knowledge that went into every part of this project is crazy.. After a decade's worth of projects I doubt I'd be confident to tackle the steering and suspension design on something like this, let alone all the aero. I've been working on cars for 20yr, I weld, I have done CAD/CAM/CAE stuff, rebuilt and modified engines, done custom suspension work... there are so many aspects of a project like this that are just completely unknown to me, like I wouldn't even know where to start. Many aspects of this build are not things you can really learn or research on your own.
VintageRobot 1y ago
It isn't that simple. I've been learning to work on my own car over the last few years. I'm not even doing anything crazy just fixing up an older vehicle and modernising some parts of it (mainly interior). I had to fix the wiper system. The wiper system you would think it wouldn't matter much whether the parts are aftermarket or not. I was very wrong, parts that even look almost identical may not work properly, due to differences in tolerances. There is also different revisions of particular parts and it will become obsolete. You can lose an afternoon on the internet just doing that. Then there is the tools. I've spent about a small fortune on tools. I have 3 torque wrenches, 3 sets of sockets, 3 sets of spanners and loads of weird specialist tools like special pliers. There are many jobs I can't do myself because they needs specialist knowledge to do properly e.g. gearboxes. You have to be prepared to spend potentially years on it and huge amount of money, even on relatively simple projects. There is a reason that a lot of guys get into old 4x4 pickups and do those up, because they are a known quantity and parts are readily available.

Grazester 1y ago

Premade as in have someone built it for you? Well, the same way they did it. You offer up a load of money to a reputable build shop and come back in about 2-5 years depending on how busy they are.

bob1029 1y ago

Unless you would be planning to keep it at a race track, you would not want to own a car like this. It would almost certainly be miserable to drive at legal speeds. That 2.0L engine isn't going to make any useful power below 5-6k RPM. Keeping a turbo like that spooled for any meaningful duration is guaranteed to get you pulled over by the police.

sandworm101 1y ago
It is more than the speed potential. This thing is very likely not capable of running pump gas, and has to be running very rich. The cost per mile, just in fuel, would be insane. Also, good luck passing any sort of emissions controls for road use.
- Reubachi 1y ago
  this vehicle has no interior to speak of, and no lighting to see at night (inside or out) It has no cats, no EGR system, sequential trans etc etc. To original OP of this question, this is closer to a racing speedboat than a race car. More expensive to own than a yacht assuming you want to run it

_yb2s 1y ago

You don’t- without that knowledge you would not know what to pay someone to build and why. It’s also going to be extremely complex and unreliable, and likely not street drivable or street legal.

joncrane 1y ago

Nearly impossible. For the same price and effort, you can probably get a high end Porsche 911 or similar which will be way more practical. The next level up would be to get a modified car from a company that has very strong ties to the manufacturer, such as Ruf with Porsche, Roush or Saleen with Ford Mustangs, etc. Trust me either of those options will be more than anyone but the 1% top skilled or thrill seeking individuals can handle.

jcgrillo 1y ago

Step 1: Get ~$250k+ in cash for the initial build. Step 2: Start learning. If you don't know how to evaluate the work of your builder you may have a few false starts finding someone who can actually do it, which will cost you even more time and money. Step 3: Learn some more. Owning a vehicle like this is a constant development effort. The work will never be "done" so unless you have a mechanic on retainer you will be working on it constantly. In short, unless you have like a million dollars to spend on a toy and staff to keep it running you'll have to shoulder at least some of the effort.

lan321 1y ago

The best way with finite money is racecarsdirect or some other similar platform. Cons are you're getting someone else's project. Pros are they've already sunk stupid money into it. You can get great cars on there if you have someone in the know to bounce deals off of. The best way with infinite money is either some very high end small batch restomod or to even commission one of the large OEMesque motorsport shops to plan and build a one off. Smaller, specialized shops are also an option but the amount of people who're learning on customer vehicles is high and they'll be so hyped to get a large project they'll promise you the moon with entirely good intentions and then fail spectacularly.

VintageRobot 1y ago

You can't, unless you a Saudi billionaire. These things are completely custom, are hugely expensive (why they have sponsors all over them) and often they will have work lined up for literally years. You also wouldn't want one. They cannot be driven on the road really as they aren't legal. They will also break a lot. Generally the more tuned a car is the more maintenance it needs. If you are interested in cars, you are better getting an older vehicle and somewhere to work on it e.g. a garage and working on it as a hobby at the weekends. You will learn a lot more and can actually enjoy it.

hoofhearted 1y ago
You can have one built; you just call Vermont Sports Car lol. Yes, price is a major factor. No, you are completely incorrect on street legality; and way far from the truth lol The basis of a WRC rally car is that it is indeed street legal; and is required to be driven on the public roads with a proper license plate in between the stages of the rally.
- VintageRobot 1y ago
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acejam 1y ago
While I agree with your comment about learning more by doing the work yourself, you don't need to be a billionaire to acquire one of these. Yes, they are expensive. A typical pro-level WRC spec WRX STI rally car from Vermont SportsCar goes for about $600k. They are actually very reliable though. And thats a bargain compared to just about any modern hypercar. Rally cars also must be street legal because they are driven on public roads between stages.
- VintageRobot 1y ago
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RajT88 1y ago

Buy a hooligan car new (or very lightly used) like a WRX STI, or Lancer EVO.