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I wonder what percentage of people who complain about not being able to buy smaller phones actually ever bought the smaller phones when they were available. Are

by dpark 1y ago

I wonder what percentage of people who complain about not being able to buy smaller phones actually ever bought the smaller phones when they were available. Are these people carrying 3rd gen iPhone SEs right now? I suspect no. It’s not as if Apple dislikes money. If they believed the market for small phones was large enough, they’d still be selling small phones.

grishka 1y ago
I did! As much as I could as someone who can't stand iOS, anyway. I used the Pixel 1 and then the Pixel 4a, for 4 years each.
- dpark 1y ago
  I have sympathy for folks who want a small phone and legitimately would buy it if available. Unfortunately the set of people who will actually buy a smaller phone seems to be very small, which is why all the manufacturers have just stopped. Apple with their two sizes seems to be trying harder than most manufacturers.
throwforfeds 1y ago
I was still using my iPhone 13 mini until last week when I bought an Air. As a city dweller without a car, I'm constantly in situations where I'm carrying something in one hand and need to pull out my phone for something. Now with this huge form factor I can't comfortably do that. For example, I was traveling internationally and was carrying my duffel bag in one hand and needed to get information out of the Airbnb app on my phone, and I almost dropped it. The mini would have been (and was always) fine in these circumstances. The Air doesn't even fit in my jeans comfortably, I have to carry it in my jacket now (what do I do in summer?). I'm considering returning it and switching back to my mini until it just can't run anymore. Apple needs to realize the user base that wants a portable, one handed phone isn't the same market that wants a cheap phone. I paid more for a worse spec'd phone (Air vs 17), solely hoping it would be easier to use as a mobile, out in the world device. It's not. If they launched the same exact mini with a processor bump at $1k or more I'd be fine paying it.
- dpark 1y ago
  > Apple needs to realize the user base that wants a portable, one handed phone isn't the same market that wants a cheap phone. The reality is that “I want a small phone” for most seems to mean “I would prefer that the phone is small but this is actually the least important factor for my purchase decision”. The set of people who bought the mini was quite small, estimated around 3% of sales. You didn’t even buy the smallest phone. You got seduced by the thin phone but the 17 and 17 pro are both physically smaller devices corner to corner and would fit in your pocket better.
  - throwforfeds 1y ago
    For sure, I admit I'm an outsider in most of my life choices, including retail decisions. But for about 13 years there I was able to purchase phones that worked one handed before the market completely shifted away from that. I purchased the phone that was the lightest, thinking that maybe it's thinness would make it nice to hold in one hand (it does), but it's still too big. And so back it goes for my 13 mini until that thing can't hold on any longer.
mgkimsal 1y ago
SE, 12 mini and 13 mini user here. Yes, I bought them.
kjkjadksj 1y ago
I’m one of those people. I’m carrying a second gen se.
Kerrick 1y ago
I was still on my iPhone 12 mini until about a month ago. I was ready to buy an iPhone 16 Mini on launch day if it existed. My wife was on her iPhone 13 mini until about a week ago, and would have bought an iPhone 17 Mini if that was on offering instead of the iPhone Air. Apple's continued refusal to offer a newer Mini, combined with the iOS 26 bug & accessibility nightmare, got us to switch. We now each carry a Sunbeam F1 Pro.
mrguyorama 1y ago
The people who complain about wanting phones to be smaller are like me. We don't buy phones that often. Manufacturers will never cater to us, because I didn't replace my Pixel 2 XL until this year. I can never compete with the market that replaces their phone every year. Nobody can. They are the ones that keep buying giant phones. >It’s not as if Apple dislikes money. If they believed the market for small phones was large enough, they’d still be selling small phones. Apple, like almost every business that size, only does things that are profitable enough. It's not enough to sell 1 million phones for a good profit, they try to avoid doing that.
- dpark 1y ago
  > It's not enough to sell 1 million phones for a good profit This is true but also not the entire story. Apple also has to consider: * How many of that million would we sell anyway in a non-mini version? * What will the margin be on these relative to our other phones? * How much of our engineering resources will be siphoned into creating yet another variant that we could use for other efforts or to make our flagship phones better? * What’s the long term support cost for yet another variant?

by dpark 1y ago

grishka 1y ago

I did! As much as I could as someone who can't stand iOS, anyway. I used the Pixel 1 and then the Pixel 4a, for 4 years each.

dpark 1y ago
I have sympathy for folks who want a small phone and legitimately would buy it if available. Unfortunately the set of people who will actually buy a smaller phone seems to be very small, which is why all the manufacturers have just stopped. Apple with their two sizes seems to be trying harder than most manufacturers.

throwforfeds 1y ago

I was still using my iPhone 13 mini until last week when I bought an Air. As a city dweller without a car, I'm constantly in situations where I'm carrying something in one hand and need to pull out my phone for something. Now with this huge form factor I can't comfortably do that. For example, I was traveling internationally and was carrying my duffel bag in one hand and needed to get information out of the Airbnb app on my phone, and I almost dropped it. The mini would have been (and was always) fine in these circumstances. The Air doesn't even fit in my jeans comfortably, I have to carry it in my jacket now (what do I do in summer?). I'm considering returning it and switching back to my mini until it just can't run anymore. Apple needs to realize the user base that wants a portable, one handed phone isn't the same market that wants a cheap phone. I paid more for a worse spec'd phone (Air vs 17), solely hoping it would be easier to use as a mobile, out in the world device. It's not. If they launched the same exact mini with a processor bump at $1k or more I'd be fine paying it.

dpark 1y ago
> Apple needs to realize the user base that wants a portable, one handed phone isn't the same market that wants a cheap phone. The reality is that “I want a small phone” for most seems to mean “I would prefer that the phone is small but this is actually the least important factor for my purchase decision”. The set of people who bought the mini was quite small, estimated around 3% of sales. You didn’t even buy the smallest phone. You got seduced by the thin phone but the 17 and 17 pro are both physically smaller devices corner to corner and would fit in your pocket better.
- throwforfeds 1y ago
  For sure, I admit I'm an outsider in most of my life choices, including retail decisions. But for about 13 years there I was able to purchase phones that worked one handed before the market completely shifted away from that. I purchased the phone that was the lightest, thinking that maybe it's thinness would make it nice to hold in one hand (it does), but it's still too big. And so back it goes for my 13 mini until that thing can't hold on any longer.

mgkimsal 1y ago

SE, 12 mini and 13 mini user here. Yes, I bought them.

kjkjadksj 1y ago

I’m one of those people. I’m carrying a second gen se.

Kerrick 1y ago

I was still on my iPhone 12 mini until about a month ago. I was ready to buy an iPhone 16 Mini on launch day if it existed. My wife was on her iPhone 13 mini until about a week ago, and would have bought an iPhone 17 Mini if that was on offering instead of the iPhone Air. Apple's continued refusal to offer a newer Mini, combined with the iOS 26 bug & accessibility nightmare, got us to switch. We now each carry a Sunbeam F1 Pro.

mrguyorama 1y ago

The people who complain about wanting phones to be smaller are like me. We don't buy phones that often. Manufacturers will never cater to us, because I didn't replace my Pixel 2 XL until this year. I can never compete with the market that replaces their phone every year. Nobody can. They are the ones that keep buying giant phones. >It’s not as if Apple dislikes money. If they believed the market for small phones was large enough, they’d still be selling small phones. Apple, like almost every business that size, only does things that are profitable enough. It's not enough to sell 1 million phones for a good profit, they try to avoid doing that.

dpark 1y ago
> It's not enough to sell 1 million phones for a good profit This is true but also not the entire story. Apple also has to consider: * How many of that million would we sell anyway in a non-mini version? * What will the margin be on these relative to our other phones? * How much of our engineering resources will be siphoned into creating yet another variant that we could use for other efforts or to make our flagship phones better? * What’s the long term support cost for yet another variant?