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Number "two" in Polish (depending on context): dwa, dwoje, dwie, dwóch, dwiema, dwom, dwojga, dwojgu, dwójka, dwójki, dwójkę, dwójką, dwójce, dwójko So that's

by abraxas 11mo ago

Number "two" in Polish (depending on context): dwa, dwoje, dwie, dwóch, dwiema, dwom, dwojga, dwojgu, dwójka, dwójki, dwójkę, dwójką, dwójce, dwójko So that's just my mother tongue. It think your problem is a bit more complex than (s).

kachnuv_ocasek 11mo ago
Same argument applies. You, as the developer, always know in what context the text appears. Whether it's "dwa zdjęcia przesłane" or "dodano tagi do dwóch zdjęć".
- abpavel 11mo ago
  > You, as the developer, always know Definetely not "always".
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maratc 11mo ago
I think it's more about inclination of the words that can't be replaced with a number. In English, it's easy: * 1 *file* sent But: * 2 *files* sent * 12 *files* sent * 21 *files* sent * 16,777,221 *files* sent. How does Polish go about that?
- abraxas 11mo ago
  1 plik wysłany 2 pliki wysłane 12 plików wysłanych 21 plików wysłanych BUT 22 or 23 or 24 pliki wysłane BUT again 25 plików wysłanych 16'777'221 plików wysłanych
  - maratc 11mo ago
    Is it still "16'777'222 pliki wysłane"?
    - abraxas 11mo ago
      yeah, the last digit matters. But sometimes the second last as well because of teen numbers: 22 pliki wysłane 12 plków wysłanych
      - maratc 11mo ago
        I've read that Russian is similar but also treats anything ending in 1 (but not 11) as singular, similar to "16'777'221 plik wysłany".
nickelcitymario 11mo ago
Holy moly, and I thought French (my mother tongue) was complicated due to conjugation. I'm fascinated by what possible context could call for this many variations on how you spell/pronounce a number. Any chance you know of a good article on this? (I could ask ChatGPT, but I'm trying to let go of that crutch.)
- abraxas 11mo ago
  I'm not a linguist so I can't send any articles that explain the origins of this mess. But here are actual examples of usage: dwa ptaki (two birds) dwoje ludzi (two persons) dwie dziewczyny (two girls) idę z dwiema dziewczynami (I'm walking with two girls) dałem kwiaty dwom dziewczynom (I gave flowers to two girls) kanapa dla dwojga (a sofa for two - gender unspecified) dałem śniadanie dwojgu (I served breakfast for two others) dwójka to słaba ocena (two is a poor grade) dwie dwójki to razem czwórka (two twos are four altogether) dostałem dwójkę z Fizyki (I got a two in physics) z dwójką przyjaciół poszliśmy do klubu (we went to the club with two friends) w autobusie dwójce siedział pijany facet (there was a drunk fella on bus number two) O, dwójko, nie wracaj już do mojego dziennika (Oh, two, don’t come back to my gradebook again) Of course I don't consciously think about when to use the right conjugation. I just know it by heart and it's second nature but I can only give coherent rules to some of them.
  - dktp 11mo ago
    Goes even further for languages with dual (like my native Slovenian) - on top of singular and plural ena ptica (one bird), dve ptici (two birds), tri ptice (three birds) As well as 6 grammatical cases and 3 genders. And a number of special cases
  - danans 11mo ago
    > I'm not a linguist so I can't send any articles that explain the origins of this mess. It's probably because Polish, unlike English and most Western European languages, has a case system (where nouns are modified to indicate their function, i.e subject, object, instrument, etc). That's a pretty common feature in grammatically conservative Indo-European languages. Other living Indo-European languages, like Lithuanian, are even more conservative and have preserved nearly the entire case system of their ancestor.
computerthings 11mo ago
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socalgal2 11mo ago
this post is 30+ years old and demonstrates the naïveté of the OP https://perldoc.perl.org/Locale::Maketext::TPJ13#A-Localization-Horror-Story:-It-Could-Happen-To-You https://perldoc.perl.org/Locale::Maketext::TPJ13#A-Localizat...
ctxc 11mo ago
I'd be happy with "Files scanned: {0 or 1 or 100}" too ;)
stackedinserter 11mo ago
Any language is like this. There shouldn't be too difficult to say "two files have been uploaded" even in Polish.

by abraxas 11mo ago

kachnuv_ocasek 11mo ago

Same argument applies. You, as the developer, always know in what context the text appears. Whether it's "dwa zdjęcia przesłane" or "dodano tagi do dwóch zdjęć".

abpavel 11mo ago
> You, as the developer, always know Definetely not "always".

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maratc 11mo ago

I think it's more about inclination of the words that can't be replaced with a number. In English, it's easy: * 1 *file* sent But: * 2 *files* sent * 12 *files* sent * 21 *files* sent * 16,777,221 *files* sent. How does Polish go about that?

abraxas 11mo ago
1 plik wysłany 2 pliki wysłane 12 plików wysłanych 21 plików wysłanych BUT 22 or 23 or 24 pliki wysłane BUT again 25 plików wysłanych 16'777'221 plików wysłanych
- maratc 11mo ago
  Is it still "16'777'222 pliki wysłane"?
  - abraxas 11mo ago
    yeah, the last digit matters. But sometimes the second last as well because of teen numbers: 22 pliki wysłane 12 plków wysłanych
    - maratc 11mo ago
      I've read that Russian is similar but also treats anything ending in 1 (but not 11) as singular, similar to "16'777'221 plik wysłany".

nickelcitymario 11mo ago

Holy moly, and I thought French (my mother tongue) was complicated due to conjugation. I'm fascinated by what possible context could call for this many variations on how you spell/pronounce a number. Any chance you know of a good article on this? (I could ask ChatGPT, but I'm trying to let go of that crutch.)

abraxas 11mo ago
I'm not a linguist so I can't send any articles that explain the origins of this mess. But here are actual examples of usage: dwa ptaki (two birds) dwoje ludzi (two persons) dwie dziewczyny (two girls) idę z dwiema dziewczynami (I'm walking with two girls) dałem kwiaty dwom dziewczynom (I gave flowers to two girls) kanapa dla dwojga (a sofa for two - gender unspecified) dałem śniadanie dwojgu (I served breakfast for two others) dwójka to słaba ocena (two is a poor grade) dwie dwójki to razem czwórka (two twos are four altogether) dostałem dwójkę z Fizyki (I got a two in physics) z dwójką przyjaciół poszliśmy do klubu (we went to the club with two friends) w autobusie dwójce siedział pijany facet (there was a drunk fella on bus number two) O, dwójko, nie wracaj już do mojego dziennika (Oh, two, don’t come back to my gradebook again) Of course I don't consciously think about when to use the right conjugation. I just know it by heart and it's second nature but I can only give coherent rules to some of them.
- dktp 11mo ago
  Goes even further for languages with dual (like my native Slovenian) - on top of singular and plural ena ptica (one bird), dve ptici (two birds), tri ptice (three birds) As well as 6 grammatical cases and 3 genders. And a number of special cases
- danans 11mo ago
  > I'm not a linguist so I can't send any articles that explain the origins of this mess. It's probably because Polish, unlike English and most Western European languages, has a case system (where nouns are modified to indicate their function, i.e subject, object, instrument, etc). That's a pretty common feature in grammatically conservative Indo-European languages. Other living Indo-European languages, like Lithuanian, are even more conservative and have preserved nearly the entire case system of their ancestor.

computerthings 11mo ago

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socalgal2 11mo ago

this post is 30+ years old and demonstrates the naïveté of the OP https://perldoc.perl.org/Locale::Maketext::TPJ13#A-Localization-Horror-Story:-It-Could-Happen-To-You https://perldoc.perl.org/Locale::Maketext::TPJ13#A-Localizat...

ctxc 11mo ago

I'd be happy with "Files scanned: {0 or 1 or 100}" too ;)

stackedinserter 11mo ago

Any language is like this. There shouldn't be too difficult to say "two files have been uploaded" even in Polish.