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> And then they just kept producing the same model, with extremely minor changes, for decades. That's not true, though. The first models were, practically, Fia

by usrnm 11mo ago

> And then they just kept producing the same model, with extremely minor changes, for decades. That's not true, though. The first models were, practically, Fiats, but then they diverged and the second generation (produced in the 80s) had significant changes. Niva had nothing to do with Fiat from day 1, it was developed internally

prmoustache 11mo ago
The Niva was actually a very modern car when it was released. I think it was one of the first unibodied AWD.
- darkwater 11mo ago
  I'm not sure when the Niva was initially made but I have memories of rusted Nivas from the late 80s to early '90s already.
  - prmoustache 11mo ago
    It was released in 1977 and afaik is still sold under the "niva legend" name in several countries while the "niva" name is also used for the rebranding of some GM based models. It is not the car you'd want to commute on, or drive in highways but it is a super decent offroader. I'd probably choose the Suzuki Jimny over a brand new Niva Legend though.
    - jabl 11mo ago
      > I'd probably choose the Suzuki Jimny over a brand new Niva Legend though. Semi-offtopic, but what decent 'proper' off-road vehicles are available on the market these days? Seems many (most?) of the 'traditional' brands like Jeep and Land Rover as well as most pick-up trucks have long since switched to the 'luxury SUV/truck' market rather than actual off-road vehicles.
      - usrnm 11mo ago
        I recently came back from a safari in Africa and the standard vehicle for it is a Toyota J70.
      - prmoustache 11mo ago
        > 'traditional' brands like Jeep and Land Rover Well that ship has sailed long ago no? I am 45y old and since I was a kid I have always seen them more as urban toys than anything despute their real off road capabilities. To me traditional off-road vehicles brands are more like Toyota, Isuzu, Santana, Nissan and Mitsubishi. These are the ones you really see off the road frequently.

by usrnm 11mo ago

prmoustache 11mo ago

The Niva was actually a very modern car when it was released. I think it was one of the first unibodied AWD.

darkwater 11mo ago
I'm not sure when the Niva was initially made but I have memories of rusted Nivas from the late 80s to early '90s already.
- prmoustache 11mo ago
  It was released in 1977 and afaik is still sold under the "niva legend" name in several countries while the "niva" name is also used for the rebranding of some GM based models. It is not the car you'd want to commute on, or drive in highways but it is a super decent offroader. I'd probably choose the Suzuki Jimny over a brand new Niva Legend though.
  - jabl 11mo ago
    > I'd probably choose the Suzuki Jimny over a brand new Niva Legend though. Semi-offtopic, but what decent 'proper' off-road vehicles are available on the market these days? Seems many (most?) of the 'traditional' brands like Jeep and Land Rover as well as most pick-up trucks have long since switched to the 'luxury SUV/truck' market rather than actual off-road vehicles.
    - usrnm 11mo ago
      I recently came back from a safari in Africa and the standard vehicle for it is a Toyota J70.
    - prmoustache 11mo ago
      > 'traditional' brands like Jeep and Land Rover Well that ship has sailed long ago no? I am 45y old and since I was a kid I have always seen them more as urban toys than anything despute their real off road capabilities. To me traditional off-road vehicles brands are more like Toyota, Isuzu, Santana, Nissan and Mitsubishi. These are the ones you really see off the road frequently.