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Vs. Finland has reserves of 870 000 from a population of about 5.6 million. Via the magic of universal male conscription: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnis
by bell-cot 1y ago
Vs. Finland has reserves of 870 000 from a population of about 5.6 million.
Via the magic of universal male conscription:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces#Conscription https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces#Conscri...
- scotty79 1y agoNot teaching your son a second language so he can escape the country with draft as soon as he's 18 is evil. You are obligated to give your child tools to choose his future if your government is trying to deny him that choice.
- retr0rocket 1y ago[dead]
- kulahan 1y agoDid you respond to the wrong comment or is this flying way over my head? I'm not actually sure how you arrived at talking about children needing to learn another language from this article that doesn't discuss language?
- pavement_sort 1y agoThey are starting a new discussion about the ethics of drafting because you mentioned "universal male conscription". In that discussion they are saying that it's unethical to have a child in a country that will draft him unless you prepare him (via learning another language, etc.) to leave as soon as he is 18. (Just explaining, not putting forth any take on the matter).
- wagwang 1y agoNo you have a duty and obligation to the society that raised you.
- scotty79 1y agoYour obligations are your choices. Only a slave has obligations without freely chosing them.
- bdangubic 1y agoobligation and choice are antonyms :-) (I do agree with what you are trying to say though)
- wagwang 1y agoCan I unchoose my obligation to my 2 year old or am I a slave.
- scotty79 1y agoOf course you can. You are an adult. Your actions and perceptions define what kind of a person you are though. If you perceive your 2 year old son as your forced obligation you are a slave and other things as well. And it's by choice.
- wagwang 1y agoYour definition of choice is not really what I'm talking about then. I'm discussing natural obligations that have make society work. Of course you always have a choice to not fulfill your obligation and society always has a choice to cast you out, like when you don't feed your 2 year old.
- scotty79 1y agoThere are no natural obligations. Societies don't require them to function. Sum of correct choices people take for themselves is always a stronger foundation for society than any "natural" obligations. Obligations are narrative fiction. Choices, laws and enforcement is what's real.
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- ninalanyon 1y agoNorway has universal conscription, not just male conscription. But not everyone is called up, the military just doesn't have the capacity to train everyone. And of course we don't feel the need quite so acutely as the Finns.
- rascul 1y agoConscription is slavery.
- ninalanyon 1y agoNot at all. It is part of the social contract here. Women are called up here in Norway because they campaigned for it, not because it was imposed. And if you are called up but prefer not to bear arms you can do a civilian service instead.
- IdiocyInAction 1y agoThat still doesn't not make it not slavery. What if you don't agree with the social contract?
- bballer 1y agoDo you call taxes slavery? Same thing.
- noitpmeder 1y agoYou can leave?