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I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups
by Yaina 11mo ago
I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game.
I wonder what harm companies are even claiming. But honestly makes perfect sense that Germany's current conservative government is in favor of it. Giant GDP boosts are always just one deregulation away, hm?
- w1nt3rmut3 11mo agoWhat do you mean abroad? I don't think anyone is considering moving to the USA. But maybe you mean a different country?
- Yaina 11mo agoI think you replied to the wrong thread ^^;
- wizzwizz4 11mo agoI think it was meant to be https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45880024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45880024.
- admissionsguy 11mo agoI actually see a large stream of people moving to the US. Europe is doomed.
- wkat4242 11mo agoI see the opposite. A lot of US people trying to move here now that it's becoming unliveable there for eg trans people. I'm kinda in an lgbt bubble but still. I myself have informed my employer I will no longer even travel to the US for work. Visiting a country means subjecting yourself to its laws and I won't do that. Same with eg middle east. I'm kinda non-binary so trying to get an X passport now so I have an easier time refusing (as I wouldn't be accepted entry anyway) Also for colleagues in India, scoring a job in America through our company was always the big ideal. That also is no more because nobody wants to be a second class citizen.
- sib 11mo agoYear Europeans Obtaining U.S. Lawful Permanent Resident Status 2014 83,270 2015 85,800 2016 93,570 2017 84,340 2018 80,020 2019 87,600 2020 68,990 2021 61,520 2022 75,610 2023 80,280 Yup, definitely looks like no Europeans have ever considered moving to the US...
- mdhb 11mo ago[flagged]
- sib 11mo ago"I don't think anyone" - means zero, not "almost no one" - you yourself should probably study English some more. And... let's put it this way - there are far fewer than 80,000 people who drive the growth of either the US or EU economy in non-linear ways. If 80,000 of the "wrong" (most positively impactful) people move from the EU to US, that's a big deal. I'm pretty sure that I didn't implement any such policies. Did you implement the Third Reich's policies, sir? There are apparently also stories that I've made up. Interesting. How's that mind-reading technology coming along?
- mdhb 11mo agoReally only finding a way to match almost every negative US stereotype possible here. I feel like I lost brain cells just reading it. This is that famous education system in action. I genuinely laughed when I read this. Like you had set up an argument in your mind where if even one person moved from the EU to the US you were going to be right and the best part is I don’t think you’re joking like you actually believed this. Back in the real world though everyone understands that 99.9% means everyone. But sure, do go on telling people to “learn English better” while you proudly continue on through life with a first grade reading comprehension and math skills.
- sib 11mo agoTypical. Make an argument. Be proven wrong. Lash out at the terrible US education system (which, of course, has most of the best universities in the world and to which many foreign people spend collectively billions of dollars to attend.) Goodbye.
- thewebguyd 11mo ago> civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. In a game of cat and mouse, the cat only has to win once.
- andrepd 11mo agoLiterally so, because the European """Parliament""" is the only institution with this name that I'm aware of that does not have the power to introduce laws. Which means it doesn't have the power to repeal them. In other words, the Commission can propose laws as many times as they want, and if they pass even once, the Parliament has no power to repeal it.
- Muromec 11mo agoParliament can rewrite the wording of the law in the committees any way they want, including by making them state the opposite. The tricky part is getting commission and the council also sign off on that.
- matsz 11mo ago> Giant GDP boosts are always just one deregulation away, hm? Honestly, reducing the complexity of incorporating and paying taxes in Germany would quickly improve the dire situation of startups here. It's so bad right now that a tax advisor straight up told me to move to a less business-hostile country.
- bootsmann 11mo agoUsually people quit when they have to go to a notary the first time, impressive that you held out.
- scotty79 11mo agoThey should just copy Polish laws. They are far from perfect, and yet they provided Poland with almost 30 years of stable, few percent growth, regardless of global and European economic struggles. When you plot the chart of Polish GDP even such a significant event as entering EU doesn't even register in the shape of the growth.
- matsz 11mo agoTrue, I was considering going back to Poland for business... if only Poland was more politically stable.
- scotty79 11mo agoIt recently had a bit of tax law upheaval, but things settled down since then. As for other issues it's politically stable, by which I mean consistently politically crappy.
- wkat4242 11mo agoTrue but Poland did come from a really really deep hole under the thumb of the Soviets. They were very thoroughly screwed over. I guess this is why Poland is the most anti russian country in the EU now (and rightly so) Just saying that growth is pretty easy starting off from zero.
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- fodkodrasz 11mo ago> civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. I'm not sure why you are singling out the EU Chat Control, when all the US "tech" sector have been playing this attrition game for 40+ years already... It is indeed an attrition game, and the dominance of the adtech surveillance capitalism is the proof that we are already on the loosing side.
- aljgz 11mo agoMaybe because that one everyone is used to, and this one is new? We get used to the status quo, but anything new is scary. In this case, chat control is indeed scary, but the existing ad tech mass surveilance does not get much attention.