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> Voters don't want a streamlined and efficient immigration system that lawfully allows a lot of migrants There was a really interesting open ended survey some
by giraffe_lady 1y ago
> Voters don't want a streamlined and efficient immigration system that lawfully allows a lot of migrants
There was a really interesting open ended survey some years ago, in the leadup to the trump/clinton election but I can't find it now sorry.
When republicans voters were asked to describe their preferred immigration policies, they outline a stance significantly more permissive and flexible, and less burdensome, than the one we currently have. More liberal than the reality, in other words.
People don't know what the immigration policies are and so they can't know what they should be either. The anti-immigration sentiment is a stunning propaganda victory decades in the making, no more.
- Izikiel43 1y agoYes, that's my experience when having to explain what getting a greencard entails, most people have no idea how the whole thing works.
- remarkEon 1y ago[flagged]
- Eisenstein 1y agoIs self-determination a human right? We certainly decided a lot of nations to the south of us didn't deserve that right. Look up the history of the banana republics some time.
- remarkEon 1y agoUp until it conflicts with my country’s rights, yes. Not sure what you’re suggesting. Is mass migration to the United States the policy of, say, Mexico?
- Eisenstein 1y agoI'm suggesting that we spent a lot of effort overturning elected governments in South America because we didn't like who they voted for and what their policies were with regard to US fruit companies. US policy directly created instability, civil war, and a generally terrible situation that they are dealing with now. Do you know what a banana republic is?
- remarkEon 1y ago>with regard to US fruit companies I suggest you take this up with these so called "fruit" companies.
- Eisenstein 1y agoThe US Government was very much involved. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PBFortune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PBFortune * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bolivian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bolivian_coup_d%27%C3%A9t...
- Izikiel43 1y agoYou seem to just realize that countries deal with the rule of might, not words. Words are worthless unless you have the power to enforce them.
- Eisenstein 1y agoVery insightful.
- tastyface 1y agoThis is a non-sequitur response to the thread. "Turns out that most people actually want a more liberal immigration system than we currently have when surveyed" "That lines up with my experience describing the greencard process to others" "Well immigration should not be easy" Your personal opinions on immigration are not really relevant to the topic.
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