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The first two are reasonable positions. The third, on the merits of the argument in the article, is absolutely bonkers. It's the UK government that is unleashin
by InTheArena 11mo ago
The first two are reasonable positions. The third, on the merits of the argument in the article, is absolutely bonkers. It's the UK government that is unleashing this stupidity on the world. There is no European alternative that is any safer, and it's the UK's own hands that are at fault in the first place.
Not that there aren't other reasons to be skeptical of American companies' right, but it's just so easy to fall into nationalistic prattle instead of fixing the real problem.
- thewebguyd 11mo ago> but it's just so easy to fall into nationalistic prattle instead of fixing the real problem. Right. This, right now, is 100% a UK problem. De-Americanising your tech stack isn't going to fix the political issues domestically. Hence Apple pulling ADP out, they made the choice of not complying with the UK and not offering the service instead of compromising the service for everyone else in the world. UK citizens need to direct their attention inwards against their own government.
- denkmoon 11mo agoOh yes, the UK is very keen on Reform. Reform in this case however is the death rattle of a long dead empire.
- rounce 11mo ago“Death rattle”? More like “zombie groan”.
- ungreased0675 11mo agoLast time I was in the UK, the news (BBC) was bizarrely 90% American politics. Trump this, Trump did that, etc. People there knew American politicians better than the people who actually represent them.
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- 1over137 11mo agoWhy “bizarrely”? The US has enormous influence on many countries, Trump’s actions are newsworthy in many places.
- lintfordpickle 11mo agoIf the UK news is made up of 90% US politics, and 10% UK politics, then I would say that is definitely bizarre.
- foldr 11mo agoHere is the BBC news website: https://bbc.co.uk/news https://bbc.co.uk/news It is not 90% American politics.
- subscribed 11mo agoTrump is a chum with Farage, far right con man and Putin's buddy. For the reasons unknown BBC is *massively* promoting and platforming far right in the last few times (airtime, framing of the events, promoting party lines as facts, etc). So Trump in the BBC might be considered beneficial to the far right. This would explain it.
- alt227 11mo ago> Right. This, right now, is 100% a UK problem. Do you not think every other govenrment in the world is currently eyeing this up and figuring out how to do the same thing?
- port11 11mo agoScary stuff: they've just handed the EU a reason to go after ADP. Turns out no back door is needed, you just force their position into making ADP unavailable in the EU.
- alt227 11mo agoI still believe that 5 eyes organised this, but the UK drew the short straw and had to be the guinea pig.
- NetMageSCW 11mo agoThat is just borrowing trouble that hasn’t arisen.
- protocolture 11mo ago>The first two are reasonable positions. The third, on the merits of the argument in the article, is absolutely bonkers. It's the UK government that is unleashing this stupidity on the world. There is no European alternative that is any safer, and it's the UK's own hands that are at fault in the first place. Disagree. Australia and also likely Canada have identical these laws. And once the capability is in place, its likely that the US can all writs access to the same tool. Apple is unique in that it has a semi legal canary, in choosing to withdraw the services instead of complying. You cant trust any tech company that remains located in the 5 eyes nations. I am not aware of good alternatives, but worst case you can run up a VPS with Owncloud or something.
- ta9000 11mo ago[dead]
- lmm 11mo ago> There is no European alternative that is any safer How do you figure that? If you're worried about your privacy in the UK, keeping your data in a Five Eyes country cloud provider is a very bad idea, arguably even worse than keeping it in a UK cloud provider where it becomes a domestic legal matter where you at least get a day in court, not a foreign intelligence matter where you don't. And the US is a pretty bad place for anyone's data given a) its lack of robust privacy laws (and large commercial data-trafficking ecosystem) and b) the National Security Letter system. While there is no perfect country, somewhere like Germany or the Netherlands seems a much better bet.