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I wouldn’t have so much problem with corporate personhood if we hadn’t decided money was speech. Plus, if corporations get to be people for all the good stuff,

I wouldn’t have so much problem with corporate personhood if we hadn’t decided money was speech. Plus, if corporations get to be people for all the good stuff, it should require taking the bad bits too. E.g. capital punishment should be on the table.

hn_acc1 11mo ago
This 1000x
wahnfrieden 11mo ago
You can dream up rules. But what environment would ever lead to this being enacted? Politicians don't seek virtue and fairness. You must address why such a rule has not been moved forward, and in fact why we have gone in the opposite direction. What would effectively motivate adopting your rule?
anon291 11mo ago
Why isn't money speech? Like I don't like that money influences politics, but ignoring corporations completely... can anyone explain why some person should not be able to spend their money to make their point? It all boils down to you being upset that you cannot use your means to make your point, rather than any fundamental ethical argument.
- AshleyGrant 11mo ago
  Because it means that someone with more money has a Constitutional right to be louder than those with less money.
  - anon291 11mo ago
    Nonsense. The constitution holds that both individuals have an equal right to acquire the same money. People value different things. The constitution does not demand that people have an equal platform. This is like a preacher complaining that his freedom of religion isn't being respected because his congregation isn't large enough. Grow up
    - AshleyGrant 11mo ago
      This is an absolutely insane take. By your comment, everyone who has a net worth of less than a billion dollars should just sit down, shut up, and let the rich people talk. We should all have the equal right and ability to have our voice heard ESPECIALLY when it comes to political speech. Allowing billionaires and massive corporations the right to use their wealth to drown out the voices of the absolute vast majority of the population is already destroying the public discourse in this country, and it will likely be looked at by historians in 100+ years as one of the biggest issues that led to the downfall of the United States of America. Money should not equal speech. Full stop.
bjt 11mo ago
> capital punishment should be on the table. Isn't it, though? If a corporation was found guilty of murder I wouldn't be surprised for a court to order it dissolved.
tickerticker 11mo ago
Arthur Anderson, The accounting firm, got the death penalty in the Enron debacle.

hn_acc1 11mo ago

This 1000x

wahnfrieden 11mo ago

You can dream up rules. But what environment would ever lead to this being enacted? Politicians don't seek virtue and fairness. You must address why such a rule has not been moved forward, and in fact why we have gone in the opposite direction. What would effectively motivate adopting your rule?

anon291 11mo ago

Why isn't money speech? Like I don't like that money influences politics, but ignoring corporations completely... can anyone explain why some person should not be able to spend their money to make their point? It all boils down to you being upset that you cannot use your means to make your point, rather than any fundamental ethical argument.

AshleyGrant 11mo ago
Because it means that someone with more money has a Constitutional right to be louder than those with less money.
- anon291 11mo ago
  Nonsense. The constitution holds that both individuals have an equal right to acquire the same money. People value different things. The constitution does not demand that people have an equal platform. This is like a preacher complaining that his freedom of religion isn't being respected because his congregation isn't large enough. Grow up
  - AshleyGrant 11mo ago
    This is an absolutely insane take. By your comment, everyone who has a net worth of less than a billion dollars should just sit down, shut up, and let the rich people talk. We should all have the equal right and ability to have our voice heard ESPECIALLY when it comes to political speech. Allowing billionaires and massive corporations the right to use their wealth to drown out the voices of the absolute vast majority of the population is already destroying the public discourse in this country, and it will likely be looked at by historians in 100+ years as one of the biggest issues that led to the downfall of the United States of America. Money should not equal speech. Full stop.

bjt 11mo ago

> capital punishment should be on the table. Isn't it, though? If a corporation was found guilty of murder I wouldn't be surprised for a court to order it dissolved.

tickerticker 11mo ago

Arthur Anderson, The accounting firm, got the death penalty in the Enron debacle.