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> give entire industries (steel, gold, petroleum) to the "workers" That's one way to put it, the other way to put it is that your corrupt government seized t
by lm28469 1y ago
> give entire industries (steel, gold, petroleum) to the "workers"
That's one way to put it, the other way to put it is that your corrupt government seized the industries and put their cronies in charge, which I would say is more accurate.
- hereme888 1y agoThat's literally how socialism and communism works in real life. Radicals tell the masses what they want to hear, and then seize radical power, take their weapons, and force their will upon the people, while claiming it's for everyone's benefit. People who haven't witnessed it firsthand believe the insane pink-powder theory that "if I were in charge, I would be able to implement it correctly", daydreaming they are superior and able to handle dictator-level power. Why else would Carl Marx and others admit it has to be forced upon an unwilling population?
- lm28469 1y agoWhat you're describing is a mix of populism and plutocracy/kleptocracy/oligarchy, these can and do thrive under any type of political or economical system, they didn't wait for socialism to exist... and unless Putin and Trump are far left radical communists, they're implementing, in different ways, what you just described lmao.
- hereme888 1y agoyou can't philosophy reality away with your academic theories. This is why research has to be validated with real life results. It's basic scientific theory.
- lm28469 1y agoWhich academic theories are you talking about? The US and Russia aren't under any kind of socialist system right now but suffer from the things you just described as socialism shortcomings. France was socialist for a long time and did not suffer any of what you just mentioned. The only thing that isn't validated by reality is your over simplified mental model of what socialism is.