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It’s interesting how any news organization even slightly left of center needs to be accountable for their actions while Fox News rage baits their viewers 24/7 a

by pupppet 11mo ago

It’s interesting how any news organization even slightly left of center needs to be accountable for their actions while Fox News rage baits their viewers 24/7 and no one bats an eyelash.

bko 11mo ago
Two things: BBC is government funded and running misinformation and fraudulent editing to affect a foreign regime There is no pretense that fox news is somehow objective. At best people say it balances out the bias of nearly every other mainstream publication. For instance check 2016 newspaper endorsements Trump had 28 compared to over 600 for not trump Newspaper endorsements in the 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia https://share.google/jOTQxKDCycI7bm04i https://share.google/jOTQxKDCycI7bm04i
- devsda 11mo ago
  I never understood the concept of newspapers endorsing a candidate. Don't newspapers have to at-least pretend to be neutral in a democracy i.e. on the side of people. Is there some dynamic here due to America being effectively a two party democracy that I'm missing. I feel like endorsing one candidate over the other is a public declaration/acknowledgement that their future reporting on failures of their endorsed candidate will be soft and reporting on the other party will be aggressive. Someone who regularly follows news on both sides may be able to tell whether this has been true so far or not.
- LeoPanthera 11mo ago
  > BBC is government funded While the BBC does receive government money, that money is used exclusively for the BBC World Service. It is misleading to say the BBC is "government funded", when the majority of their output is funded by the license fee.
  - mvdtnz 11mo ago
    The license fee which is enforced by government.
RickJWagner 11mo ago
Here are some examples of how serious the problem is: Dan Rather, a leading anchor for 60 Minutes, tried to shame George W Bush by airing forged documents. When revealed, Rather was fired. When Hunter Bidens damning laptop was discovered late in the election cycle, nearly all mainstream news sources ignored it. A shared letter signed by 50 ‘experts’ called it ‘Russian disinformation’. Today it is quietly acknowledged that the story was true. This was especially egregious given the proximity to the 2020 elections. Earlier this year, ABCs anchor George Stephanopolous was sued by Trump after he repeatedly called Trump a rapist, a false charge. ABC settled, paying $16m. Likewise, Trump sued 60 Minutes for editing a Kamala Harris interview to improve her responses to a question. CBS settled by paying Trump. Those are direct political hits. They’re worse than examples like the Covington High vs Native American hoax, Katie Courics second amendment edit, Anderson Cooper standing in a flooded hole, etc. Please give me a single example of a news source telling such outrageous lies against a Democrat. Note that the above examples are not second hand lies repeated— they are lies coming straight from the news source.
tzs 11mo ago
(This is a reply to RickJWagner's reply to the above comment [1], which got killed while I was writing this) > When Hunter Bidens damning laptop was discovered late in the election cycle, nearly all mainstream news sources ignored it [...] Today it is quietly acknowledged that the story was true To be clear, it turned out to be true that it was Hunter Biden's laptop. It did not turn out to be true that it contained anything damning concerning Joe Biden. > Earlier this year, ABCs anchor George Stephanopolous was sued by Trump after he repeatedly called Trump a rapist, a false charge. ABC settled, paying $16m. To be clear, the problem wasn't that Stephanopolous said that Trump was a rapist. It was that he said that Trump had been found liable for the rape E Jean Carroll in her lawsuit against him. In fact Trump was found by the jury to be liable for sexually abusing her but not for raping her. However, in Trump's counterclaim against Carroll for defamation because she repeatedly claimed he raped her the judge dismissed the claim saying that her words were "substantially true". He said "The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favor was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law". The jury had been instructed that it could only find the Trump "raped" her if he forcibly penetrated her vagina with his penis. Forcible penetration by fingers is not rape under the New York penal code. The judge noted that in contexts outside of New York penal law that would commonly be called "rape". BTW, that's also the case in the law of most other US states. > Likewise, Trump sued 60 Minutes for editing a Kamala Harris interview to improve her responses to a question. CBS settled by paying Trump. The overwhelming majority of legal experts considered that to be a frivolous lawsuit. Paramount (CBS' parent company) settled because they needed government approval for a merger they were involved in. The government approved the merger 3 weeks after the settlement. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45875897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45875897
- RickJWagner 11mo ago
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  - pupppet 11mo ago
    Seth Rich conspiracy story (retracted) — Fox published, then removed, a 2017 story implying a slain DNC staffer was tied to WikiLeaks, saying it failed to meet editorial standards. - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/statement-on-coverage-of-seth-rich-murder-investigation https://www.foxnews.com/politics/statement-on-coverage-of-se... Dominion defamation case — A Delaware judge ruled it was “CRYSTAL clear” the Dominion 2020-election claims were false; Fox then settled for $787.5M. - https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=345820 https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=345820 Smartmatic defamation suit (ongoing) — New York appeals court let Smartmatic’s multibillion-dollar case proceed against Fox Corp in 2025; Smartmatic says Fox spread false claims about rigging the 2020 election. - https://www.reuters.com/legal/fox-must-face-smartmatic-27-billion-defamation-lawsuit-ny-appeals-court-rules-2025-01-09/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/fox-must-face-smartmatic-27-bi... “Biden is coming for your burgers” — Multiple Fox segments pushed a false claim that Biden’s climate plan limited red-meat consumption; Fox later issued an on-air correction. - https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-corrects-segment-on-nonexistent-biden-red-meat-quotas-2021-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-corrects-segment-on... Misleading edit of Biden’s Satchel Paige remark — “Fox & Friends” aired a clipped video that removed context and made Biden’s Veterans Day comments seem racially insensitive; AP flagged the edit. - https://apnews.com/general-news-453bd99f1301f76b68368f0a5b2f59ec https://apnews.com/general-news-453bd99f1301f76b68368f0a5b2f... Wrong clip during Harris interview — Bret Baier acknowledged he aired the wrong Trump clip while challenging Vice President Harris; AP covered the on-air “mistake” and correction. - https://apnews.com/article/harris-fox-news-bret-baier-mistake-trump-0c60a912d98d7fb84076037486b9a3bd https://apnews.com/article/harris-fox-news-bret-baier-mistak... Hannity’s rally footage mix-up — After Jon Stewart called it out, Hannity apologized for using footage from a much larger 9/12 rally while discussing a smaller Bachmann event. - https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2009/11/hannity-and-stewart-unite-hannity-flubbed-it/341750 https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2009/11/hannity-and-stew... Misidentifying a Democratic lawmaker on-screen — Fox aired B-roll of Rep. John Conyers while discussing the indictment of Rep. William Jefferson, later issuing an apology. - https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-hosts-forced-make-on-air-corrections-erroneous-reports-about-tulsi-gabbard https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-hosts-forced-make-on-air...
danielfoster 11mo ago
This is a good point. The major issue I see is the BBC is funded by taxpayers through government-mandated contributions, whereas Fox News is a private company.

by pupppet 11mo ago

It’s interesting how any news organization even slightly left of center needs to be accountable for their actions while Fox News rage baits their viewers 24/7 and no one bats an eyelash.

bko 11mo ago

Two things: BBC is government funded and running misinformation and fraudulent editing to affect a foreign regime There is no pretense that fox news is somehow objective. At best people say it balances out the bias of nearly every other mainstream publication. For instance check 2016 newspaper endorsements Trump had 28 compared to over 600 for not trump Newspaper endorsements in the 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia https://share.google/jOTQxKDCycI7bm04i https://share.google/jOTQxKDCycI7bm04i

devsda 11mo ago
I never understood the concept of newspapers endorsing a candidate. Don't newspapers have to at-least pretend to be neutral in a democracy i.e. on the side of people. Is there some dynamic here due to America being effectively a two party democracy that I'm missing. I feel like endorsing one candidate over the other is a public declaration/acknowledgement that their future reporting on failures of their endorsed candidate will be soft and reporting on the other party will be aggressive. Someone who regularly follows news on both sides may be able to tell whether this has been true so far or not.
LeoPanthera 11mo ago
> BBC is government funded While the BBC does receive government money, that money is used exclusively for the BBC World Service. It is misleading to say the BBC is "government funded", when the majority of their output is funded by the license fee.
- mvdtnz 11mo ago
  The license fee which is enforced by government.

RickJWagner 11mo ago

Here are some examples of how serious the problem is: Dan Rather, a leading anchor for 60 Minutes, tried to shame George W Bush by airing forged documents. When revealed, Rather was fired. When Hunter Bidens damning laptop was discovered late in the election cycle, nearly all mainstream news sources ignored it. A shared letter signed by 50 ‘experts’ called it ‘Russian disinformation’. Today it is quietly acknowledged that the story was true. This was especially egregious given the proximity to the 2020 elections. Earlier this year, ABCs anchor George Stephanopolous was sued by Trump after he repeatedly called Trump a rapist, a false charge. ABC settled, paying $16m. Likewise, Trump sued 60 Minutes for editing a Kamala Harris interview to improve her responses to a question. CBS settled by paying Trump. Those are direct political hits. They’re worse than examples like the Covington High vs Native American hoax, Katie Courics second amendment edit, Anderson Cooper standing in a flooded hole, etc. Please give me a single example of a news source telling such outrageous lies against a Democrat. Note that the above examples are not second hand lies repeated— they are lies coming straight from the news source.

tzs 11mo ago

(This is a reply to RickJWagner's reply to the above comment [1], which got killed while I was writing this) > When Hunter Bidens damning laptop was discovered late in the election cycle, nearly all mainstream news sources ignored it [...] Today it is quietly acknowledged that the story was true To be clear, it turned out to be true that it was Hunter Biden's laptop. It did not turn out to be true that it contained anything damning concerning Joe Biden. > Earlier this year, ABCs anchor George Stephanopolous was sued by Trump after he repeatedly called Trump a rapist, a false charge. ABC settled, paying $16m. To be clear, the problem wasn't that Stephanopolous said that Trump was a rapist. It was that he said that Trump had been found liable for the rape E Jean Carroll in her lawsuit against him. In fact Trump was found by the jury to be liable for sexually abusing her but not for raping her. However, in Trump's counterclaim against Carroll for defamation because she repeatedly claimed he raped her the judge dismissed the claim saying that her words were "substantially true". He said "The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favor was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law". The jury had been instructed that it could only find the Trump "raped" her if he forcibly penetrated her vagina with his penis. Forcible penetration by fingers is not rape under the New York penal code. The judge noted that in contexts outside of New York penal law that would commonly be called "rape". BTW, that's also the case in the law of most other US states. > Likewise, Trump sued 60 Minutes for editing a Kamala Harris interview to improve her responses to a question. CBS settled by paying Trump. The overwhelming majority of legal experts considered that to be a frivolous lawsuit. Paramount (CBS' parent company) settled because they needed government approval for a merger they were involved in. The government approved the merger 3 weeks after the settlement. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45875897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45875897

RickJWagner 11mo ago
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- pupppet 11mo ago
  Seth Rich conspiracy story (retracted) — Fox published, then removed, a 2017 story implying a slain DNC staffer was tied to WikiLeaks, saying it failed to meet editorial standards. - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/statement-on-coverage-of-seth-rich-murder-investigation https://www.foxnews.com/politics/statement-on-coverage-of-se... Dominion defamation case — A Delaware judge ruled it was “CRYSTAL clear” the Dominion 2020-election claims were false; Fox then settled for $787.5M. - https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=345820 https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=345820 Smartmatic defamation suit (ongoing) — New York appeals court let Smartmatic’s multibillion-dollar case proceed against Fox Corp in 2025; Smartmatic says Fox spread false claims about rigging the 2020 election. - https://www.reuters.com/legal/fox-must-face-smartmatic-27-billion-defamation-lawsuit-ny-appeals-court-rules-2025-01-09/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/fox-must-face-smartmatic-27-bi... “Biden is coming for your burgers” — Multiple Fox segments pushed a false claim that Biden’s climate plan limited red-meat consumption; Fox later issued an on-air correction. - https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-corrects-segment-on-nonexistent-biden-red-meat-quotas-2021-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-corrects-segment-on... Misleading edit of Biden’s Satchel Paige remark — “Fox & Friends” aired a clipped video that removed context and made Biden’s Veterans Day comments seem racially insensitive; AP flagged the edit. - https://apnews.com/general-news-453bd99f1301f76b68368f0a5b2f59ec https://apnews.com/general-news-453bd99f1301f76b68368f0a5b2f... Wrong clip during Harris interview — Bret Baier acknowledged he aired the wrong Trump clip while challenging Vice President Harris; AP covered the on-air “mistake” and correction. - https://apnews.com/article/harris-fox-news-bret-baier-mistake-trump-0c60a912d98d7fb84076037486b9a3bd https://apnews.com/article/harris-fox-news-bret-baier-mistak... Hannity’s rally footage mix-up — After Jon Stewart called it out, Hannity apologized for using footage from a much larger 9/12 rally while discussing a smaller Bachmann event. - https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2009/11/hannity-and-stewart-unite-hannity-flubbed-it/341750 https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2009/11/hannity-and-stew... Misidentifying a Democratic lawmaker on-screen — Fox aired B-roll of Rep. John Conyers while discussing the indictment of Rep. William Jefferson, later issuing an apology. - https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-hosts-forced-make-on-air-corrections-erroneous-reports-about-tulsi-gabbard https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-hosts-forced-make-on-air...

danielfoster 11mo ago

This is a good point. The major issue I see is the BBC is funded by taxpayers through government-mandated contributions, whereas Fox News is a private company.