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The Israel lobby has a massive amount of power over British politics as does Trump. If there is a lie written about them or even an unsubstantiated truthhood th

by pydry 1y ago

The Israel lobby has a massive amount of power over British politics as does Trump. If there is a lie written about them or even an unsubstantiated truthhood they can both put pressure on and/or punish the people behind it. Exterminated Gazans can not. They have no political power in the UK. The only reason they get any air time at all is because A) it's usually a little too obvious to ignore and B) enough BBC journalists are close to being in open revolt over the management's attempts to crack down on honest reporting over the genocide: https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/forced-to-do-pr-for-israeli-government-bbc-employees-revolt-accuse-organisation-of-anti-palestinian-racism-in-coverage/3902489/ https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/forced-to-do-pr-...

adastra22 1y ago
You misunderstood - BBC is getting in trouble for having passed off Hamas propaganda without fact checking for years. Whether you believe it or not (I suspect you won’t), the bias runs the other way.
- pydry 1y ago
  I misunderstood nothing. The British establishment attacked the BBC because it wasnt supportive enough of the propaganda produced by a state conducting a Nazi-style genocide (according to the UN). "Hamas propaganda" is simply the racist trope used to describe that.
  - adastra22 1y ago
    I think you’re the one employing racist language here, and I don’t think further conversation would be helpful.
  - edanm 1y ago
    > a state conducting a Nazi-style genocide (according to the UN). Can you provide a link showing that the UN is saying this? I kind of doubt the UN ever called it a "Nazi-style" genocide, and I don't think anyone serious is alleging anything of the kind (including serious people/groups who do call it a genocide - I don't think they'd characterize what's happening as a "Nazi-style" genocide, and nothing they say implies they think it.)
    - pydry 1y ago
      The UN called it a genocide: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c... They expressed no opinion about whether the intent on the genocide was due to a culture of racial supremacy. That isnt their job. But, there is a multitude of other evidence demonstrating that it was. This is why the people who try to downplay it on internet forums or elsewhere are exclusively racists, similar to holocaust deniers.
      - adastra22 1y ago
        The UN commission report is highly controversial with a lot of questions raised about their procedure and investigative bias. It is not racist or denialism to make legitimate complaints about the legal basis of an ill-considered report. Comparing it to Holocaust denialism is way out of line.

by pydry 1y ago

adastra22 1y ago

You misunderstood - BBC is getting in trouble for having passed off Hamas propaganda without fact checking for years. Whether you believe it or not (I suspect you won’t), the bias runs the other way.

pydry 1y ago
I misunderstood nothing. The British establishment attacked the BBC because it wasnt supportive enough of the propaganda produced by a state conducting a Nazi-style genocide (according to the UN). "Hamas propaganda" is simply the racist trope used to describe that.
- adastra22 1y ago
  I think you’re the one employing racist language here, and I don’t think further conversation would be helpful.
- edanm 1y ago
  > a state conducting a Nazi-style genocide (according to the UN). Can you provide a link showing that the UN is saying this? I kind of doubt the UN ever called it a "Nazi-style" genocide, and I don't think anyone serious is alleging anything of the kind (including serious people/groups who do call it a genocide - I don't think they'd characterize what's happening as a "Nazi-style" genocide, and nothing they say implies they think it.)
  - pydry 1y ago
    The UN called it a genocide: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c... They expressed no opinion about whether the intent on the genocide was due to a culture of racial supremacy. That isnt their job. But, there is a multitude of other evidence demonstrating that it was. This is why the people who try to downplay it on internet forums or elsewhere are exclusively racists, similar to holocaust deniers.
    - adastra22 1y ago
      The UN commission report is highly controversial with a lot of questions raised about their procedure and investigative bias. It is not racist or denialism to make legitimate complaints about the legal basis of an ill-considered report. Comparing it to Holocaust denialism is way out of line.