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I recently looked into beets, but it seems it’s focused on automation, is that correct? I often buy stuff that has just been released, and that’s not yet in any

by Semaphor 11mo ago

I recently looked into beets, but it seems it’s focused on automation, is that correct? I often buy stuff that has just been released, and that’s not yet in any database, so no automation works. My current workflow is download, unzip and manually tag (mainly genres, sometimes badly named artists/albums) with MusicBee (which gives me autocomplete for genres so I can reuse existing ones), and then copy the files to the server for Navidrome to pick them up. Throwing this out here to see if beets would actually work well with what I want after all.

Hamuko 11mo ago
If you add a lot of new stuff to your library, you'll often need to add them to MusicBrainz yourself. I use beets and I currently have added 2697 releases (2543 release groups) to MusicBrainz.
- tuukkao 11mo ago
  Beets is what got me into MusicBrainz. It's an incredible resource. To be fair it's not the easiest of things to get started with and the usability could be better (release drafts, anyone?) but it's efficient once you get the hang of it.
- non-nil 11mo ago
  First: Thank you! Secondly: I wish more people did this. If you end up needing to manually enter the data, at least if you add it to a public database more people can benefit, which also makes it feel less frustrating. I'm in the midst of a major music library overhaul and would not know how I'd ever get it done without Beets. For example, it's clearing out embedded images, fetching new hi-res artwork and verifying FLAC integrity, as I go through artist by artist.
- Semaphor 11mo ago
  If you are into that, that’s good, but that’s the exact opposite of making my life easier ;)
majkinetor 11mo ago
Looks like a general case. I do the same a lot with Picard and Foobar, but beats can also auto tag based on file name and populate musicbrainz. Set library directory to that of navidrome so it will be coppied there on import.
daiwt 11mo ago
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skydhash 11mo ago
You can use the current tags in the media files and not use any metadata database. I have a simple scheme for organizing my collection, and can correct my metadata rather quickly, but these days, so I don’t even use beets.
alisonatwork 11mo ago
I use MusicBee for everything too and sounds like my workflow is the same as yours. I basically take whatever is tagged on the file straight out of Bandcamp and then manually follow Discogs-like rules for normalization of the artist name so the directory structure works out, plus adding iTunes compilation metadata to deal with the "various artists" issue, adding BPM, customizing genre and comments etc. I think I started all this fussiness exactly because back in the old days when you synced to CDDB, you'd get somebody else's useless record label classification for a reissue or international release that obscured the original label, which in certain genres of music is quite important to be able to better categorize the music for auto playlists. Original year is also critical for auto playlists where you're looking for tunes around a certain era. I also have a vague memory of old CDJs or Serato or some damn thing not displaying the name I wanted so having to shuffle stuff around to Composer or Album Artist or something to make it work, and now here I am with custom-tagged all the things. My problem is I was considering replacing all my 320k MP3s with FLACs, which I have for all my Bandcamp purchases and most of my CD rips (although not from Beatport and other online stores)... but I realized it was going to be absolute hell to try and match the untagged files that I downloaded and put straight into cloud storage with the tagged files I already have in the library. It would need some kind of heuristics to fuzzy match the files with what's already there, then retag them with my preferred tags from the MP3, then move the file into the same location the MP3 is, then move the MusicBee proprietary metadata (play count, add date etc) across, then delete the MP3. I keep thinking there has to be a program or a plugin for this, but seems like not, so for now I've just given up and decided that 320k is good enough, actually, which makes me wonder why I'm keeping all these FLACs around in the first place. Not like I'm starting the Library of Alexandria here, I just like music.
- Semaphor 11mo ago
  > actually, which makes me wonder why I'm keeping all these FLACs around Sometime last year, I actually redownloaded all my BC files, and reripped all my CDs (had to re-do genres, but that was fine, I wanted cleaner genres anyway). It’s simply archival. Lossless means you can convert it to whatever file you might want in the future without loss of quality. This made extra sense for my CD rips, because many of those were from the early 2000s and I made questionable quality descisions ;)

Hamuko 11mo ago

If you add a lot of new stuff to your library, you'll often need to add them to MusicBrainz yourself. I use beets and I currently have added 2697 releases (2543 release groups) to MusicBrainz.

tuukkao 11mo ago
Beets is what got me into MusicBrainz. It's an incredible resource. To be fair it's not the easiest of things to get started with and the usability could be better (release drafts, anyone?) but it's efficient once you get the hang of it.
non-nil 11mo ago
First: Thank you! Secondly: I wish more people did this. If you end up needing to manually enter the data, at least if you add it to a public database more people can benefit, which also makes it feel less frustrating. I'm in the midst of a major music library overhaul and would not know how I'd ever get it done without Beets. For example, it's clearing out embedded images, fetching new hi-res artwork and verifying FLAC integrity, as I go through artist by artist.
Semaphor 11mo ago
If you are into that, that’s good, but that’s the exact opposite of making my life easier ;)

majkinetor 11mo ago

Looks like a general case. I do the same a lot with Picard and Foobar, but beats can also auto tag based on file name and populate musicbrainz. Set library directory to that of navidrome so it will be coppied there on import.

daiwt 11mo ago

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skydhash 11mo ago

You can use the current tags in the media files and not use any metadata database. I have a simple scheme for organizing my collection, and can correct my metadata rather quickly, but these days, so I don’t even use beets.

alisonatwork 11mo ago

I use MusicBee for everything too and sounds like my workflow is the same as yours. I basically take whatever is tagged on the file straight out of Bandcamp and then manually follow Discogs-like rules for normalization of the artist name so the directory structure works out, plus adding iTunes compilation metadata to deal with the "various artists" issue, adding BPM, customizing genre and comments etc. I think I started all this fussiness exactly because back in the old days when you synced to CDDB, you'd get somebody else's useless record label classification for a reissue or international release that obscured the original label, which in certain genres of music is quite important to be able to better categorize the music for auto playlists. Original year is also critical for auto playlists where you're looking for tunes around a certain era. I also have a vague memory of old CDJs or Serato or some damn thing not displaying the name I wanted so having to shuffle stuff around to Composer or Album Artist or something to make it work, and now here I am with custom-tagged all the things. My problem is I was considering replacing all my 320k MP3s with FLACs, which I have for all my Bandcamp purchases and most of my CD rips (although not from Beatport and other online stores)... but I realized it was going to be absolute hell to try and match the untagged files that I downloaded and put straight into cloud storage with the tagged files I already have in the library. It would need some kind of heuristics to fuzzy match the files with what's already there, then retag them with my preferred tags from the MP3, then move the file into the same location the MP3 is, then move the MusicBee proprietary metadata (play count, add date etc) across, then delete the MP3. I keep thinking there has to be a program or a plugin for this, but seems like not, so for now I've just given up and decided that 320k is good enough, actually, which makes me wonder why I'm keeping all these FLACs around in the first place. Not like I'm starting the Library of Alexandria here, I just like music.

Semaphor 11mo ago
> actually, which makes me wonder why I'm keeping all these FLACs around Sometime last year, I actually redownloaded all my BC files, and reripped all my CDs (had to re-do genres, but that was fine, I wanted cleaner genres anyway). It’s simply archival. Lossless means you can convert it to whatever file you might want in the future without loss of quality. This made extra sense for my CD rips, because many of those were from the early 2000s and I made questionable quality descisions ;)