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On the contrary! https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestration-of-tim https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestr...

• Scarblac 1y ago
  What a good post and what a sad decision.
• ziotom78 1y ago
  Thanks for the link, I was not aware of this story.
• elcritch 1y ago
  The steering committee folks sound like a microcosm of a communist poliburo. Aiming for who can be the most offended over imaginary slights. I'm glad as An American tax payer that we're not funding an organization with such petty politics and discriminatory behaviors. Tim sounds similar to John Carmack recent she post about Meta: > I wish I could drop (so many of) my old internal posts publicly, since I don’t really have the incentive to relitigate the arguments today – they were carefully considered and prescient. They also got me reported to HR by the manager of the XROS effort for supposedly making his team members feel bad https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1961172409920491849 https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1961172409920491849
  • rurban 1y ago
    And it's not only limited to python. Same things happened to perl, ruby, node, and even in some film communities which I was member of. Once you have such a committee or COC, game over.
    • Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
      If I may ask, what are some better alternatives than commitee's or Code of conducts which can work? Or is it just a equlibra of just that they might be the best thing we have got currently or something similar?
      • rurban 1y ago
        Not having such a committee in power and most likely no COC. The FSF's Kindness COC sounds good though. Within perl we treated conference abuse privately in a seperate nonpublic group, but never mailinglist outbursts. This group had no power over anyone else. Esp. over devs with different opinions, who critized core devs over their work.
        • elcritch 1y ago
          Glad to hear one programming community is handling the issues in what sounds like a healthy way. It also requires actual human effort though, so it's difficult to do. People hate doing difficult things and prefer to be part of "witch hunts" because they're easy IMHO. Discussion and discourse is key.
          • rurban 1y ago
            No, this was past tense. It went south thereafter, even worse than python.
      • dogleash 1y ago
        Asking for the right one-size-fits-all system skips doing the systems thinking up front. A failure mode with a lot of community management systems is that they're adopted because they have a general vibe of keeping the bad people out. And that vibe will see any criticism of the community management document/team/actions as a way to sneak the bad people in. Imagine I told you I found a rando discord server dedicated to a tabletop RPG I love, but complained that the moderation team was a clique. I claimed that I feel forced to fit in by pandering to their sensibilities and biting my tongue on other topics even if they're just flat out provably wrong. Nobody would assume I'm just salty because I secretly want to post porn, cuss and be racist in #general. Because we all know discord mods are notoriously petty tyrants. Now give that discord community a github page and copy-paste in an HR document. The way expectations snap into treating them like levelheaded professionals with unassailable intentions and righteous goals is the reason this topic always goes nowhere.
      • zahlman 1y ago