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>I don't know any Europeans who'd prefer to have American healthcare. Some 50-100k Europeans fly to the US to get American healthcare every year.

lionkor 1y ago
I couldn't find a source for this with a quick couple of searches, could you provide one?
- csande17 1y ago
  I'm not GP, but https://www.trade.gov/survey-international-air-travelers-siat https://www.trade.gov/survey-international-air-travelers-sia... suggests that in 2024 about 0.4% of European travellers to the US told the government they were coming to receive medical treatment, and https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/december-and-annual-2024-total-international-travel-volume https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/december-and-annual-20... says about 13 million people from Western Europe visited the US in 2024, and if you multiply those numbers you get 50k.
theturtle32 1y ago
That isn’t the flex you think it is lol
saghm 1y ago
So the other 99.987% of Europeans agree with the parent comment?
- Auracle 1y ago
  No, they just can’t afford it or don’t need it.
  - dpark 1y ago
    Most people prefer healthcare they afford over healthcare they can’t. (Most, not all. There are a surprisingly large chunk of Americans who seem to vote Against their best interests in a lot of areas.)
  - saghm 1y ago
    I would argue that "don't need it" could just as easily be because they have better healthcare closer to home.
stwr 1y ago
Ok, so about 0.0134%, Parent comment’s point is that -the average European- absolutely does not want the US healthcare system in Europe. Simply due to our shared believe healthcare is a basic right and should be universally available to everyone. Those who have the financial means to travel to the USA for medical treatment do so largely due to running out of conventional options at home, experimental treatments or specific doctors who are regarded as the best in their particular field. Most of the US outbound medical travel is due to treatment at home being too expensive and risking pushing entire families to bankruptcy. The fact that 100k europeans fly to the US for medical treatment is factual, but does not equal them wanting the US healthcare system in Europe.
- jojobas 1y ago
  That's about how many need it, can afford it, and can't wait for an appointment in half a year.
  - teiferer 1y ago
    Idk .. I injured my knee playing soccer (tore a bunch of ligaments) a few months ago. Wasn't life threatening. Still, got care after waiting for about an hour, xray and all. On a Saturday. In Sweden, single payer insurance. I paid only about $20 out of pocket.
dpark 1y ago
Just as a contrasting data point, some estimates are that well over a million Americans travel overseas for medical care every year. https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2818%2930620-X/fulltext https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2818%2930620-X/ful... This is mostly to obtain cheaper care. In general America does seem to have some of the best care in terms of quality. It’s just also some of the least affordable.
- jojobas 1y ago
  US is not the only destination for Europeans, they also go to Thailand and wherever. Few Americans go to Europe. It's not affordable, but when money is not the issue you go to the US.
- spogbiper 1y ago
  i'm one of the Americans. went to South america for a dental procedure that was 12k in the US, 2.5k there. very modern facilities, they had some better tech than my american dentist. if you can speak a bit of spanish, i highly recommend looking into it for expensive dental stuff.

lionkor 1y ago

I couldn't find a source for this with a quick couple of searches, could you provide one?

csande17 1y ago
I'm not GP, but https://www.trade.gov/survey-international-air-travelers-siat https://www.trade.gov/survey-international-air-travelers-sia... suggests that in 2024 about 0.4% of European travellers to the US told the government they were coming to receive medical treatment, and https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/december-and-annual-2024-total-international-travel-volume https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/december-and-annual-20... says about 13 million people from Western Europe visited the US in 2024, and if you multiply those numbers you get 50k.

theturtle32 1y ago

That isn’t the flex you think it is lol

saghm 1y ago

So the other 99.987% of Europeans agree with the parent comment?

Auracle 1y ago
No, they just can’t afford it or don’t need it.
- dpark 1y ago
  Most people prefer healthcare they afford over healthcare they can’t. (Most, not all. There are a surprisingly large chunk of Americans who seem to vote Against their best interests in a lot of areas.)
- saghm 1y ago
  I would argue that "don't need it" could just as easily be because they have better healthcare closer to home.

stwr 1y ago

Ok, so about 0.0134%, Parent comment’s point is that -the average European- absolutely does not want the US healthcare system in Europe. Simply due to our shared believe healthcare is a basic right and should be universally available to everyone. Those who have the financial means to travel to the USA for medical treatment do so largely due to running out of conventional options at home, experimental treatments or specific doctors who are regarded as the best in their particular field. Most of the US outbound medical travel is due to treatment at home being too expensive and risking pushing entire families to bankruptcy. The fact that 100k europeans fly to the US for medical treatment is factual, but does not equal them wanting the US healthcare system in Europe.

jojobas 1y ago
That's about how many need it, can afford it, and can't wait for an appointment in half a year.
- teiferer 1y ago
  Idk .. I injured my knee playing soccer (tore a bunch of ligaments) a few months ago. Wasn't life threatening. Still, got care after waiting for about an hour, xray and all. On a Saturday. In Sweden, single payer insurance. I paid only about $20 out of pocket.

dpark 1y ago

Just as a contrasting data point, some estimates are that well over a million Americans travel overseas for medical care every year. https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2818%2930620-X/fulltext https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2818%2930620-X/ful... This is mostly to obtain cheaper care. In general America does seem to have some of the best care in terms of quality. It’s just also some of the least affordable.

jojobas 1y ago
US is not the only destination for Europeans, they also go to Thailand and wherever. Few Americans go to Europe. It's not affordable, but when money is not the issue you go to the US.
spogbiper 1y ago
i'm one of the Americans. went to South america for a dental procedure that was 12k in the US, 2.5k there. very modern facilities, they had some better tech than my american dentist. if you can speak a bit of spanish, i highly recommend looking into it for expensive dental stuff.