I am aware. I was making a concrete example pointing at a well known conference where average industry professionals would find the very concept of these system

I am aware. I was making a concrete example pointing at a well known conference where average industry professionals would find the very concept of these systems being secure to be laughable. Somehow we have ended up in this bizarro land where everybody in software knows software, especially COTS operating systems, is horribly insecure due to the endless embarrassing failures yet somehow they also doublethink these systems must be secure.