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I get that the Trump admin doesn't care a bit about the impact of the shutdown on the general population (they're fighting in court for NOT having to release th

by xg15 1y ago

I get that the Trump admin doesn't care a bit about the impact of the shutdown on the general population (they're fighting in court for NOT having to release the emergency funding that would instantly reinstate SNAP) and probably even welcome it as an opportunity for "government downsizing" - but things like air traffic becoming restricted would start to touch even the areas that the ultra-rich are interested in, would it?

jeena 1y ago
No, because there will be always some left and those will be used to get the private jets off the ground first.
gafferongames 1y ago
Not if they have private planes, unfortunately.
- samrus 1y ago
  Private planes dont need air traffic controllers?
  - enigmo 1y ago
    it depends on the airport and airspace. it's not required everywhere.
    - andrewmunsell 1y ago
      No one rich enough flying what the average person would consider a "private jet" or private plane would be flying VFR from uncontrolled airport to uncontrolled airport. The "ultra rich" are not puttering around in single-engine Cessnas
      - enigmo 1y ago
        not going to argue with that, there were single engine comments on the thread though.
    - tombert 1y ago
      Sure but that probably wouldn't affect rich people. Rich people would be flying to LA, NYC, Chicago, Seattle, Dallas, etc. Big metropolitan areas. I think those areas would probably need air traffic controllers.
      - enigmo 1y ago
        yeah all the major airports are class B and they need atc at jet cruise altitudes. there are uncontrolled airports with runways large enough for jets.. like Alpine Wyoming.
  - labcomputer 1y ago
    Untowered airports are a thing...
- tombert 1y ago
  Wouldn't private planes still necessitate air traffic controllers? I remember when I flew with my uncle in his small private plane [1] he had to fairly frequently chatter with the air traffic people over the radio to report his position and altitude and the like. [1] Just a tiny two seat thing, I don't come from billionaires, it wasn't a cool private jet.
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dathinab 1y ago
yes but Musk has claimed he could trivially re-implement the system with more or less only using AI putting aside weather that is true or not and just assume it to be true for the later argument then it is the perfect chance to replace a public service the country depends on by a billionaire controlled private company thats how you convert a country to an oligarchy, bit by bit replacing essential parts with entities privately owned and (most importantly) controlled by a few people so that a country "has to" depend on them to function and they can use it as leverage to force through their interests to be fair, this might not be the intend here. A lot of the shutdown seem more blind ideological driven then well calculated, but it's a potential danger anyway
- RestartKernel 1y ago
  > trivially re-implement That's... concerning to anyone who has tried or witnessed a trivial rewrite. Let me hold some hope in the institutions that be to stop this from being hastily deployed.
  - dathinab 1y ago
    oh yes, kinda the norm for musk ideas
    - RestartKernel 1y ago
      Give him some credit. The Hyper Loop perfectly achieved its goal of sidelining any discussion of high speed rail.
- labcomputer 1y ago
  > yes but Musk has claimed he could trivially re-implement the system with more or less only using AI He is wrong about that. That being said... there's a lot of low-hanging fruit to pick in terms of efficiency gains for the current system.
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Jtsummers 1y ago
Yes, air cargo will be impacted as well which will change the costs for businesses. They'll need to start shifting to other freight methods (rail, truck, ship) if available and those operate on different timescales than air cargo which can have further downstream effects impacting businesses' abilities to actually do their business.
perfmode 1y ago
The shutdown impacts Federal FAA controllers (at major centers/towers) who are considered essential and must work without pay. However, many smaller FBO-serving towers are staffed by Contract Controllers, who are employed by private companies holding FAA contracts. These contract controllers generally continue to receive their pay during a shutdown, shielding them from the immediate financial crisis affecting their federal counterparts.
BurningFrog 1y ago
More as an interesting fact than trying to be argumentative: In the current electorate, Democrats are supported by a majority of both low-income and high-income voters. Republicans even it out by having a majority of the middle income voters, especially those without a college degree. It didn't use to be like this. But now it is.

by xg15 1y ago

jeena 1y ago

No, because there will be always some left and those will be used to get the private jets off the ground first.

gafferongames 1y ago

Not if they have private planes, unfortunately.

samrus 1y ago
Private planes dont need air traffic controllers?
- enigmo 1y ago
  it depends on the airport and airspace. it's not required everywhere.
  - andrewmunsell 1y ago
    No one rich enough flying what the average person would consider a "private jet" or private plane would be flying VFR from uncontrolled airport to uncontrolled airport. The "ultra rich" are not puttering around in single-engine Cessnas
    - enigmo 1y ago
      not going to argue with that, there were single engine comments on the thread though.
  - tombert 1y ago
    Sure but that probably wouldn't affect rich people. Rich people would be flying to LA, NYC, Chicago, Seattle, Dallas, etc. Big metropolitan areas. I think those areas would probably need air traffic controllers.
    - enigmo 1y ago
      yeah all the major airports are class B and they need atc at jet cruise altitudes. there are uncontrolled airports with runways large enough for jets.. like Alpine Wyoming.
- labcomputer 1y ago
  Untowered airports are a thing...
tombert 1y ago
Wouldn't private planes still necessitate air traffic controllers? I remember when I flew with my uncle in his small private plane [1] he had to fairly frequently chatter with the air traffic people over the radio to report his position and altitude and the like. [1] Just a tiny two seat thing, I don't come from billionaires, it wasn't a cool private jet.
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dathinab 1y ago

yes but Musk has claimed he could trivially re-implement the system with more or less only using AI putting aside weather that is true or not and just assume it to be true for the later argument then it is the perfect chance to replace a public service the country depends on by a billionaire controlled private company thats how you convert a country to an oligarchy, bit by bit replacing essential parts with entities privately owned and (most importantly) controlled by a few people so that a country "has to" depend on them to function and they can use it as leverage to force through their interests to be fair, this might not be the intend here. A lot of the shutdown seem more blind ideological driven then well calculated, but it's a potential danger anyway

RestartKernel 1y ago
> trivially re-implement That's... concerning to anyone who has tried or witnessed a trivial rewrite. Let me hold some hope in the institutions that be to stop this from being hastily deployed.
- dathinab 1y ago
  oh yes, kinda the norm for musk ideas
  - RestartKernel 1y ago
    Give him some credit. The Hyper Loop perfectly achieved its goal of sidelining any discussion of high speed rail.
labcomputer 1y ago
> yes but Musk has claimed he could trivially re-implement the system with more or less only using AI He is wrong about that. That being said... there's a lot of low-hanging fruit to pick in terms of efficiency gains for the current system.

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Jtsummers 1y ago

Yes, air cargo will be impacted as well which will change the costs for businesses. They'll need to start shifting to other freight methods (rail, truck, ship) if available and those operate on different timescales than air cargo which can have further downstream effects impacting businesses' abilities to actually do their business.

perfmode 1y ago

The shutdown impacts Federal FAA controllers (at major centers/towers) who are considered essential and must work without pay. However, many smaller FBO-serving towers are staffed by Contract Controllers, who are employed by private companies holding FAA contracts. These contract controllers generally continue to receive their pay during a shutdown, shielding them from the immediate financial crisis affecting their federal counterparts.

BurningFrog 1y ago

More as an interesting fact than trying to be argumentative: In the current electorate, Democrats are supported by a majority of both low-income and high-income voters. Republicans even it out by having a majority of the middle income voters, especially those without a college degree. It didn't use to be like this. But now it is.