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Wait till you get old, as everyone will. Also, because you personally haven’t experienced something yet is not that relevant. Remember the story about enforce

Wait till you get old, as everyone will. Also, because you personally haven’t experienced something yet is not that relevant. Remember the story about enforced diversity statements at universities, and the ex-soviet math teacher warning against them? I do and it was discussed here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343

acdha 1y ago
YMMV: I haven’t seen age discrimination from people who seriously supported DEI: quite the opposite, they are generally summed up as “hire people who can do the job” which doesn’t exclude age. I have seen it from the same types of people who oppose DEI: born affluent, convinced that anyone who can’t retire at 45 chose not to, etc.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  Not my experience, but don’t think it could be definite either way. Therefore not a useful statement.
stubish 1y ago
If only there was some sort of policy encouraging diversity that could tackle ageism in hiring practices.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  EOE and anti ageism laws have existed for decades. How has that worked out? Look at Agile, a movement that took a good idea and twisted it into the opposite.
  - stubish 1y ago
    The solution to dead laws is remove any chance of them being enforced? The solution to ageism is to make policies that attempt to enforce the laws and human rights illegal? Really? Thankfully nobody has made it illegal to do Agile correctly rather than following the tautological Official Agile Process(tm).
scuff3d 1y ago
I restarted my career in my 30s. I'm literally working in a field right now where people almost half my age are at the same level I am, and people my age or younger are my boss. Have never had a problem all through the career transition. I'm not just saying me personally. I'm saying I have never even heard a creditable case of "reverse discrimination" in all my years, across all my colleagues. DEI initiatives seek to put minority groups on the same level as majority groups. So they get the same consideration as everyone else, not more consideration. If that bothers you I don't really know what to tell you.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  I, I, I… anecdotes not too helpful. You don’t hear about the vast majority of discrimination instances because one simply doesn’t get hired. Often on purpose, “no culture fit” can’t be proven. You have and will experience it, though usually won’t know. Thinking it doesn’t happen is very naïve.
  - scuff3d 1y ago
    I mean in this case I think it's fairly useful. I'm the exact demographic supposedly impacted by this. I've work for corporations for 20+ years, and watched the culture shift around me. I have friends and colleagues in several different industries. I've been a hiring manager for years. In all that time, literally the only complaints I've heard directly, or from people I know, are people complaining they can't be racist/sexist anymore. For the record though, I'm 100% sure a white person hasn't gone a job because of their skin color. People suck, and that doesn't stop being true because of skin color or gender. My point is that DEI isn't some grand conspiracy against white people. They're for the most part well meaning policies intended to equalize a playing field that has been fundementally uneven for essentially all of human history.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      As mentioned elsewhere, like Agile… it’s not hard to take a good idea and twist it into something bad, in fact happens often. My first reply has examples. I haven’t seen or heard of any professional rascism, sexism, etc directly with my own senses either—in my whole life. Does that mean they don’t exist? Of course not, but that’s what your statements above sound like. “I haven’t seen => doesn’t exist.”

acdha 1y ago

YMMV: I haven’t seen age discrimination from people who seriously supported DEI: quite the opposite, they are generally summed up as “hire people who can do the job” which doesn’t exclude age. I have seen it from the same types of people who oppose DEI: born affluent, convinced that anyone who can’t retire at 45 chose not to, etc.

mixmastamyk 1y ago
Not my experience, but don’t think it could be definite either way. Therefore not a useful statement.

stubish 1y ago

If only there was some sort of policy encouraging diversity that could tackle ageism in hiring practices.

mixmastamyk 1y ago
EOE and anti ageism laws have existed for decades. How has that worked out? Look at Agile, a movement that took a good idea and twisted it into the opposite.
- stubish 1y ago
  The solution to dead laws is remove any chance of them being enforced? The solution to ageism is to make policies that attempt to enforce the laws and human rights illegal? Really? Thankfully nobody has made it illegal to do Agile correctly rather than following the tautological Official Agile Process(tm).

scuff3d 1y ago

I restarted my career in my 30s. I'm literally working in a field right now where people almost half my age are at the same level I am, and people my age or younger are my boss. Have never had a problem all through the career transition. I'm not just saying me personally. I'm saying I have never even heard a creditable case of "reverse discrimination" in all my years, across all my colleagues. DEI initiatives seek to put minority groups on the same level as majority groups. So they get the same consideration as everyone else, not more consideration. If that bothers you I don't really know what to tell you.

mixmastamyk 1y ago
I, I, I… anecdotes not too helpful. You don’t hear about the vast majority of discrimination instances because one simply doesn’t get hired. Often on purpose, “no culture fit” can’t be proven. You have and will experience it, though usually won’t know. Thinking it doesn’t happen is very naïve.
- scuff3d 1y ago
  I mean in this case I think it's fairly useful. I'm the exact demographic supposedly impacted by this. I've work for corporations for 20+ years, and watched the culture shift around me. I have friends and colleagues in several different industries. I've been a hiring manager for years. In all that time, literally the only complaints I've heard directly, or from people I know, are people complaining they can't be racist/sexist anymore. For the record though, I'm 100% sure a white person hasn't gone a job because of their skin color. People suck, and that doesn't stop being true because of skin color or gender. My point is that DEI isn't some grand conspiracy against white people. They're for the most part well meaning policies intended to equalize a playing field that has been fundementally uneven for essentially all of human history.
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    As mentioned elsewhere, like Agile… it’s not hard to take a good idea and twist it into something bad, in fact happens often. My first reply has examples. I haven’t seen or heard of any professional rascism, sexism, etc directly with my own senses either—in my whole life. Does that mean they don’t exist? Of course not, but that’s what your statements above sound like. “I haven’t seen => doesn’t exist.”