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The right way to build trust in the media is for the media to actually be trustworthy.

by db48x 1y ago

foldr 1y ago
The accusations against the BBC in this case are extremely weak, though. The main thing is the somewhat misleading edit of Trump’s speech in one documentary (which was such a big deal that no-one noticed till a year later), and then some general grumbling about too many positive portrayals of trans people. This latter complaint would be bizarre if it was made with reference to any other group of people. (Imagine if the BBC were accused of showing too many positive portrayals of Irish people and was then required to broadcast programs where people who hate the Irish were also given space to air their views.) Finally there are some complaints about coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, which is of course impossible for any news organization to cover without enraging someone or other.
- johng 1y ago
  This paints a pretty awful picture of the BBC in other areas: https://archive.is/mBcPq https://archive.is/mBcPq
  - foldr 1y ago
    So does this: https://cfmm.org.uk/bbc-on-gaza-israel-one-story-double-standards/ https://cfmm.org.uk/bbc-on-gaza-israel-one-story-double-stan... It’s quite a fun game to match every accusation of BBC bias with its exact opposite. That’s not to say that BBC reporting is perfect and that no individual criticisms are valid. But the BBC simply could not report on Israel/Palestine at all without being accused of bias in all directions. Show me the media organization whose reporting on this issue is agreed to be unbiased by all relevant parties. (Also little ironic to link to a Telegraph article, of all things, while complaining about media bias. On anyone’s analysis, the Telegraph is a vastly more partisan media organization than the BBC.)
    - johng 1y ago
      If you read the article they are listing things that the BBC itself concluded and cites specific examples. Ignore who wrote the article or even the article itself and just look at what BBC itself found. Also note it's about BBC Arabic in comparison to regular BBC.
      - foldr 1y ago
        I’m sure the BBC gets lots of stuff wrong in its news coverage, just like any other news organization you could name. But if we’re talking about systemic bias in reporting on the Israel/Palestine conflict, it’s worth noting that “both sides” (much as I hate this expression) frequently claim that the BBC is biased against them. The whole issue is so contentious that it’s highly unlikely that any major news organization will escape criticisms of bias. Again, I wonder if you can name a different major news organization that regularly reports on Israel/Palestine and that nobody considers to have any bias in its reporting.
        johng 1y ago
        I agree with you that they all have bias. However, as the article points out... this is an egregious bias by it's own sister publication. So, it is unique in that it all falls under the same roof and it's being called out by itself.
        foldr 1y ago
        That’s unique in a good way, no? Would it be better if the BBC were incapable of self critique?
        db48x 11mo ago
        I’ll give them +10 points for hiring somebody to measure their own accuracy, and −100 points for ignoring their reports and broadcasting deliberate lies anyway.
techblueberry 1y ago
Don’t worry, all the mainstream media will be right wing soon enough, so trust in the media will at least hit ~45%.
- Gud 1y ago
  He is resigning due to BBC Panorama, one of their biggest news shows(if not the biggest) doctoring footage of Trump making it appear he was instigating the occupation on the 6th of January. This is indefensible and has nothing to do with right or left wing. It is about TRUTH
  - techblueberry 1y ago
    Thanks for proving my point.
    - db48x 1y ago
      Doctoring footage is indefensible no matter who the footage was of. See also Crowngate.
      - techblueberry 1y ago
        So is a news organization firing people in response to mob rule. 2 months ago? Sure, 2 months from now after an investigation? Fine. Admittedly doing it to get people to calm down? Not ok.
        db48x 11mo ago
        They would not have had to resign if they could point to any attempt that they had made to fix the many problems detailed in the report.
  - alsetmusic 1y ago
    > making it appear he was instigating the occupation > The inciters gave their fiery provocations, then Trump told his recruits, "We're going to the Capitol, and I'll be right there with you." I don't know anything about what footage was or wasn't edited, but if you think he didn't instigate, we're not going to agree on much about that day. I didn't just read this right now. I searched for it because I remember seeing him say it. https://www.yahoo.com/news/letter-testimony-jan-6th-hearings-152237836.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/letter-testimony-jan-6th-hearings...

The right way to build trust in the media is for the media to actually be trustworthy.

by db48x 1y ago

The right way to build trust in the media is for the media to actually be trustworthy.

The accusations against the BBC in this case are extremely weak, though. The main thing is the somewhat misleading edit of Trump’s speech in one documentary (which was such a big deal that no-one noticed till a year later), and then some general grumbling about too many positive portrayals of trans people. This latter complaint would be bizarre if it was made with reference to any other group of people. (Imagine if the BBC were accused of showing too many positive portrayals of Irish people and was then required to broadcast programs where people who hate the Irish were also given space to air their views.) Finally there are some complaints about coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, which is of course impossible for any news organization to cover without enraging someone or other.

johng 1y ago
This paints a pretty awful picture of the BBC in other areas: https://archive.is/mBcPq https://archive.is/mBcPq
- foldr 1y ago
  So does this: https://cfmm.org.uk/bbc-on-gaza-israel-one-story-double-standards/ https://cfmm.org.uk/bbc-on-gaza-israel-one-story-double-stan... It’s quite a fun game to match every accusation of BBC bias with its exact opposite. That’s not to say that BBC reporting is perfect and that no individual criticisms are valid. But the BBC simply could not report on Israel/Palestine at all without being accused of bias in all directions. Show me the media organization whose reporting on this issue is agreed to be unbiased by all relevant parties. (Also little ironic to link to a Telegraph article, of all things, while complaining about media bias. On anyone’s analysis, the Telegraph is a vastly more partisan media organization than the BBC.)
  - johng 1y ago
    If you read the article they are listing things that the BBC itself concluded and cites specific examples. Ignore who wrote the article or even the article itself and just look at what BBC itself found. Also note it's about BBC Arabic in comparison to regular BBC.
    - foldr 1y ago
      I’m sure the BBC gets lots of stuff wrong in its news coverage, just like any other news organization you could name. But if we’re talking about systemic bias in reporting on the Israel/Palestine conflict, it’s worth noting that “both sides” (much as I hate this expression) frequently claim that the BBC is biased against them. The whole issue is so contentious that it’s highly unlikely that any major news organization will escape criticisms of bias. Again, I wonder if you can name a different major news organization that regularly reports on Israel/Palestine and that nobody considers to have any bias in its reporting.
      - johng 1y ago
        I agree with you that they all have bias. However, as the article points out... this is an egregious bias by it's own sister publication. So, it is unique in that it all falls under the same roof and it's being called out by itself.
        foldr 1y ago
        That’s unique in a good way, no? Would it be better if the BBC were incapable of self critique?
        db48x 11mo ago
        I’ll give them +10 points for hiring somebody to measure their own accuracy, and −100 points for ignoring their reports and broadcasting deliberate lies anyway.

techblueberry 1y ago

Don’t worry, all the mainstream media will be right wing soon enough, so trust in the media will at least hit ~45%.

Gud 1y ago
He is resigning due to BBC Panorama, one of their biggest news shows(if not the biggest) doctoring footage of Trump making it appear he was instigating the occupation on the 6th of January. This is indefensible and has nothing to do with right or left wing. It is about TRUTH
- techblueberry 1y ago
  Thanks for proving my point.
  - db48x 1y ago
    Doctoring footage is indefensible no matter who the footage was of. See also Crowngate.
    - techblueberry 1y ago
      So is a news organization firing people in response to mob rule. 2 months ago? Sure, 2 months from now after an investigation? Fine. Admittedly doing it to get people to calm down? Not ok.
      - db48x 11mo ago
        They would not have had to resign if they could point to any attempt that they had made to fix the many problems detailed in the report.
- alsetmusic 1y ago
  > making it appear he was instigating the occupation > The inciters gave their fiery provocations, then Trump told his recruits, "We're going to the Capitol, and I'll be right there with you." I don't know anything about what footage was or wasn't edited, but if you think he didn't instigate, we're not going to agree on much about that day. I didn't just read this right now. I searched for it because I remember seeing him say it. https://www.yahoo.com/news/letter-testimony-jan-6th-hearings-152237836.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/letter-testimony-jan-6th-hearings...