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Yeah companies should be held guilty unless proven otherwise. Of course you can never actually prove anything, so they are all guilty by default. /s

by rs186 11mo ago

heavyset_go 11mo ago
You can't bootstrap nearly any embedded ARM SoC and run Linux without running some closed Chinese blob just to bring it up lol
- cyanydeez 11mo ago
  And in reverse, you think Palentir has a transparent business model to trust with your data? I don't get why people find china more suspect than most of these billionaire led monopolies buying politicians and laws and spout paranoid gibberish about Christianity and anti Christ etc. Both might be fundamentally evil or being, but they aren't different in danger based solely on how white they are.
  - jojobas 11mo ago
    What about whataboutism? And yes an American company in cahoots with the government having the ability to snoop on traffic and turn entire networks off, while bad, is nowhere near as bad as a Chinese one having the exact same capability.
    - freeopinion 11mo ago
      The US company and the US government are 1000x more likely to leverage their position in an antagonistic way against US customers.
  - heavyset_go 11mo ago
    Both can be bad at the same time
    - cyanydeez 11mo ago
      Right, but one is "white" and the other is "dark"
blitzar 11mo ago
Of course there is probably a hidden little os running on hidden core within the hidden hardware running the hidden os.
Sophira 11mo ago
Their hypothetical does have weight, though. Damn near every desktop/laptop computer does have "a hidden little core running a hidden little OS" nowadays, after all.[0] Obviously this particular one isn't in non-Intel equipment, but... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine
jojobas 11mo ago
Devices from companies under direct or implicit CCP control should indeed be considered suspect until proven otherwise. Not just them, but them much more than local ones.

Yeah companies should be held guilty unless proven otherwise. Of course you can never actually prove anything, so they are all guilty by default. /s

by rs186 11mo ago

Yeah companies should be held guilty unless proven otherwise. Of course you can never actually prove anything, so they are all guilty by default. /s

heavyset_go 11mo ago

You can't bootstrap nearly any embedded ARM SoC and run Linux without running some closed Chinese blob just to bring it up lol

cyanydeez 11mo ago
And in reverse, you think Palentir has a transparent business model to trust with your data? I don't get why people find china more suspect than most of these billionaire led monopolies buying politicians and laws and spout paranoid gibberish about Christianity and anti Christ etc. Both might be fundamentally evil or being, but they aren't different in danger based solely on how white they are.
- jojobas 11mo ago
  What about whataboutism? And yes an American company in cahoots with the government having the ability to snoop on traffic and turn entire networks off, while bad, is nowhere near as bad as a Chinese one having the exact same capability.
  - freeopinion 11mo ago
    The US company and the US government are 1000x more likely to leverage their position in an antagonistic way against US customers.
- heavyset_go 11mo ago
  Both can be bad at the same time
  - cyanydeez 11mo ago
    Right, but one is "white" and the other is "dark"

blitzar 11mo ago

Of course there is probably a hidden little os running on hidden core within the hidden hardware running the hidden os.

Sophira 11mo ago

Their hypothetical does have weight, though. Damn near every desktop/laptop computer does have "a hidden little core running a hidden little OS" nowadays, after all.[0] Obviously this particular one isn't in non-Intel equipment, but... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

jojobas 11mo ago

Devices from companies under direct or implicit CCP control should indeed be considered suspect until proven otherwise. Not just them, but them much more than local ones.