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Why Doesn't Anyone Trust the Media?

5 points by samclemens 11mo ago

Marshferm 11mo ago
Because no one trusts information about events relayed in storytelling. It all looks and sounds fake.
- johng 11mo ago
  I think it's more because the media has knowingly lied and hid information. It's been proven. It's not in doubt. When someone tells you and shows you who they are, believe them.
  - techblueberry 11mo ago
    But has this changed? (I assert a resounding no) I mean, Fox News is the most watched of the cable news networks, do they lie and hide information the least? Like what timeline are we talking about here, when is the golden age of media not lying, it’s certainly not the 60’s and the Vietnam war.(hahaha ironically this is exactly when trust in the media and institutions was the highest, early 70’s) https://www.statista.com/chart/5883/trust-in-mass-media/ https://www.statista.com/chart/5883/trust-in-mass-media/ Is there a series of things that they’ve lied about that you can point to that doesn’t have a partisan skew? The only thing top of mind is maybe not going deep enough on the reasons for entering the Iraq war.
    - Marshferm 11mo ago
      Lippmann stated bluntly in 1926, narratives are bunk, the news can't resolve any idea of analytic complexity, yet we kept them around like dinosaurs. Face it, journalism is finished, it's extinct.
      - 4d4m 11mo ago
        More than outdated, today its deception at the core
  - Marshferm 11mo ago
    No narrative is accurate, it's subjective cause and effect. We've known this since Aristotle, and neuropsychologists (Merlin Donald), neuroscientists (OKeefe, Kandel, Mosers), and evolutionary thinkers (Rosenberg) deal storytelling fatal blows. No one trusts narratives in general now. They're illusions entirely. Retire them as communication.
techblueberry 11mo ago
One thing I think is - it’s nearly impossible for the media to be all things to all people; because I think the difference between different groups (say Republicans and Democrats) isn’t what we believe, but how we believe it. The language and arguments we use. I loosely speaking mostly believe in free markets, capitalism, etc. but I only want to hear like professors of economics (right leaning or left leaning) talking about it, trying to talk about the free market with right wing relatives is crazy making, and I think these are the people mainstream media needs to appeal to. I don’t know why this has changed recently, I’m guessing it’s just the fact that people have more choices, but I’d rather create my own “media organization” by picking and choosing from a variety of writers, than consume everything from say, the New York Times. Even if I can blur my eyes and see that is objectively a good thing that the New York Times tried to appeal to a wider variety of groups, like, I’m not going to drive myself crazy reading through a bunch of ham fisted articles purely written in an attempt to seem non-partisan. I want to read dynamic and diverse perspective on COVID vaccines, but informed ones, not an op-ed from RFK jr. on Ivermectin.
- Marshferm 11mo ago
  The narrative constructs of cause and effect, things like political parties, religion, myth, anything that's folk science, is dead. These are dinosaurs in an analytic-non-linear reality where chaos and game theory operate. Toss all those old constructs out.
  - techblueberry 11mo ago
    lol, those things are coming back stronger than ever.
    - Marshferm 11mo ago
      No they're fragmenting, study the numbers. They're no longer coherent as state-myth, they're now individual claims to moral and ethical superiority. And notice the idea that sloganeering propaganda is used to describe this: "coming back stronger than ever". As if religion, myth etc is a brand of detergent, or a sports franchise, or a fast food enterprise. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226371734/religious-nones-are-now-the-largest-single-group-in-the-u-s https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226371734/religious-nones-ar...

5 points by samclemens 11mo ago

Marshferm 11mo ago

Because no one trusts information about events relayed in storytelling. It all looks and sounds fake.

johng 11mo ago
I think it's more because the media has knowingly lied and hid information. It's been proven. It's not in doubt. When someone tells you and shows you who they are, believe them.
- techblueberry 11mo ago
  But has this changed? (I assert a resounding no) I mean, Fox News is the most watched of the cable news networks, do they lie and hide information the least? Like what timeline are we talking about here, when is the golden age of media not lying, it’s certainly not the 60’s and the Vietnam war.(hahaha ironically this is exactly when trust in the media and institutions was the highest, early 70’s) https://www.statista.com/chart/5883/trust-in-mass-media/ https://www.statista.com/chart/5883/trust-in-mass-media/ Is there a series of things that they’ve lied about that you can point to that doesn’t have a partisan skew? The only thing top of mind is maybe not going deep enough on the reasons for entering the Iraq war.
  - Marshferm 11mo ago
    Lippmann stated bluntly in 1926, narratives are bunk, the news can't resolve any idea of analytic complexity, yet we kept them around like dinosaurs. Face it, journalism is finished, it's extinct.
    - 4d4m 11mo ago
      More than outdated, today its deception at the core
- Marshferm 11mo ago
  No narrative is accurate, it's subjective cause and effect. We've known this since Aristotle, and neuropsychologists (Merlin Donald), neuroscientists (OKeefe, Kandel, Mosers), and evolutionary thinkers (Rosenberg) deal storytelling fatal blows. No one trusts narratives in general now. They're illusions entirely. Retire them as communication.

techblueberry 11mo ago

One thing I think is - it’s nearly impossible for the media to be all things to all people; because I think the difference between different groups (say Republicans and Democrats) isn’t what we believe, but how we believe it. The language and arguments we use. I loosely speaking mostly believe in free markets, capitalism, etc. but I only want to hear like professors of economics (right leaning or left leaning) talking about it, trying to talk about the free market with right wing relatives is crazy making, and I think these are the people mainstream media needs to appeal to. I don’t know why this has changed recently, I’m guessing it’s just the fact that people have more choices, but I’d rather create my own “media organization” by picking and choosing from a variety of writers, than consume everything from say, the New York Times. Even if I can blur my eyes and see that is objectively a good thing that the New York Times tried to appeal to a wider variety of groups, like, I’m not going to drive myself crazy reading through a bunch of ham fisted articles purely written in an attempt to seem non-partisan. I want to read dynamic and diverse perspective on COVID vaccines, but informed ones, not an op-ed from RFK jr. on Ivermectin.

Marshferm 11mo ago
The narrative constructs of cause and effect, things like political parties, religion, myth, anything that's folk science, is dead. These are dinosaurs in an analytic-non-linear reality where chaos and game theory operate. Toss all those old constructs out.
- techblueberry 11mo ago
  lol, those things are coming back stronger than ever.
  - Marshferm 11mo ago
    No they're fragmenting, study the numbers. They're no longer coherent as state-myth, they're now individual claims to moral and ethical superiority. And notice the idea that sloganeering propaganda is used to describe this: "coming back stronger than ever". As if religion, myth etc is a brand of detergent, or a sports franchise, or a fast food enterprise. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226371734/religious-nones-are-now-the-largest-single-group-in-the-u-s https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226371734/religious-nones-ar...