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1. The cheapest American city is maybe half thr cost of the most expensive. Meanwhile in the most expensive Indian city, one could live like a king at 1/3 the c
by hshdhdhj4444 1y ago
1. The cheapest American city is maybe half thr cost of the most expensive. Meanwhile in the most expensive Indian city, one could live like a king at 1/3 the cost of the cheapest American city with far more culture and things to do. And if you were willing to move to the cheapest Indian cities you could halve that again.
2. Correct. Given that the majority of SW jobs, especially the highest paying ones, were located in the U.S. this is a net benefit to anyone living outside the U.S. even before you take cost into consideration. More American jobs opened up to a Londoner than global jobs opened up to someone living in SF.
3. Efficiency approximately = lower costs. In this case costs = developer salaries.
So you’re right. We got more efficient. We reduced the average cost of developer salaries per job. Since very few people are willing to take a pay cut this means jobs are moving/will move to places where people are willing to work for less.
- citadel_melon 1y agoEfficiency does not necessarily mean lower costs. More efficient workers could mean more valuable workers, and thus something employers are willing to pay more for in a competitive labor market.
- makingstuffs 1y agoJust a note on point 1: As someone who is Indian and frequently visits the sub continent (writing this from a suburb in Delhi) I can categorically tell you that no one actively wants to live in the cheapest Indian cities (just left my family’s home city which falls into this bracket). I’m not sure if you’ve travelled much around the sub continent but I’d say you’re quite badly romanticising it. Yes we have our own culture which is different to that of the USA but, as with all things, there are A Lot of aspects of the culture here which are not admirable.
- leosanchez 1y ago> I can categorically tell you that no one actively wants to live in the cheapest Indian cities Sorry to burst your bubble but, I love living in my T3 city I was born in. Don't talk for 1.4 billion people. Thanks.
- sumedh 1y ago> Don't talk for 1.4 billion people. The data for Indians moving out of India does the talking.
- leosanchez 1y agoThe phrase was: > I can categorically tell you that no one actively wants to live in the cheapest Indian cities It is pretty easy to disprove it, as me and my friends that are living in T3 cities are pretty content with our lives.
- cuteboy19 1y agovery few people move out permanently. if you exclude the gulf workers that is.
- nine_k 1y agoWhile what you write is correct, the parent speaks about the most expensive tier of Indian cities, which are quite a bit nicer.
- torginus 1y agoAnd are just as expensive as most nice places in the US
- decimalenough 1y agoWell, no, not really. Top tier Indian cities like Bengaluru, Delhi and Mumbai are expensive and horribly dysfunctional when it comes to pollution, traffic, hygiene, dealing with government bureaucracy, etc. Having money insulates you from some but by no means all of this.
- NaomiLehman 11mo agohow are they expensive?
- makingstuffs 1y agoThe parent literally mentions ‘the cheapest Indian cities’. As others have said, even the richest cities have a swathe of issues which simply do not exist in the west (reasons for which are another discussion). *looks at air pollution chart which is literally at 359 right this second (01:38)*
- sumedh 1y agoHave you ever travelled in Mumbai city trains during peak hour, I can assure you it's not nice. Look up videos on Youtube.
- torginus 1y agoI'm not super familiar with either country, but I feel like that's not really true this is comparing Seattle and Mumbai https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=India&city1=Mumbai&country2=United+States&city2=Seattle%2C+WA https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou... Real estate is about 2x-1x the price (I bet the cheap stuff is much worse than in the US though). Cars and more expensive big purchases are cheaper in the US. And don't forget, the US has absolutely first-class-bar-none access to financial services, with abundant cheap loans, so you can support a much nicer lifestyle on the same income.
- oytis 1y ago> More American jobs opened up to a Londoner than global jobs opened up to someone living in SF. As someone living in EU and working (and job hunting) for American companies for the last N years I just have never seen it happen. American companies were opening subsidiaries in Europe long before COVID - they were just making everyone go to office there. Surge of remote work didn't seem to bring new American jobs to Europe as far as I could see - if anyone was hiring remotely, it were the same companies that already were hiring for in-office jobs before. Meanwhile, most remote jobs by American companies seem to be open for American residents only. Thing is, for most locations, you still need to establish a legal presense to hire there, and that is enough of bureacratic burden for most companies to expand their geography very sparingly
- munificent 1y ago> The cheapest American city is maybe half thr cost of the most expensive. I currently live in Seattle. On Zillow, I can find a house in the small town where I grew up with the same stats as mine (square footage, number of bedrooms, baths). That house is about a fourth of the cost that Zillow says my current home is worth. Oh, and the house in the small town has a 750' storage building out back. And another 1,500' shop. And five acres of land. And a fish pond.
- giardini 1y agoBuy it! Rent it if you have to.