Btw, the recent Conversations with Tyler had a few minutes on this topic with Sam: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conversations-with-tyler/id983795625?i

Btw, the recent Conversations with Tyler had a few minutes on this topic with Sam: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conversations-with-tyler/id983795625?i=1000735389228 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conversations-with-tyl... It was a bit towards the end, I think.