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Germany considers the 'Nordic model' to curb sex work

8 points by toomanyrichies 11mo ago

sodokuwizard 11mo ago
Just make it a legal and protected profession already , all states and countries are losing out on big tax revenue and its funneling more people into the dark underbelly of society for literally no reason. We have easy access to porn, raves, onlyfans is essentially a digital version of this, etc and the youth are already sexualized and consumed by their desires -- but when the genitals physically cross that's too much? What a joke. You want a deterrent, make it legal, have safe buildings and rooms for this service - all parties consent to be recorded and footage deleted in 1 year (in the event of a crime). Safer for the women cause vanilla sex is pointless to record in the age of porn/has no real leverage for the guys who just need to take the edge off and the freaks run a very real risk of capture if they get too aggressive.
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- nis0s 11mo ago
  People who say it should be legalized haven’t thought through the implications of it.
  - Arnt 11mo ago
    It was legalised in Germany about 20 years ago. The proposal to legalise it was very thoughtful and readable, quite unlike your single-sentence assertion. Two brief examples that I remember: ① Many prostitutes were also witnesses to related crimes, which were difficult to prosecute because the key witnesses would have to admit to their own prostitution. ② The first employer of an ex-prostitute has to teach the ways of normal employment. Some employers will make that effort, but not many. The organisations that help prostitutes find regular employment stated that a criminal record made the search much more difficult.
    - nis0s 11mo ago
      Okay, then please read someone who writes gooder than I do: On child prostitution in Germany—https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-raise-alarm-over-spike-in-child-trafficking/a-73800323 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-raise-alarm-over-spike-... On sex trafficking in Germany—https://www.dw.com/en/germany-mulls-ban-on-buying-sex-to-fight-exploitation/a-74673114 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-mulls-ban-on-buying-sex-to-fig... Further on sex trafficking—https://mission-freedom.de/en/forced-prostitution/facts-and-legal-situation/ https://mission-freedom.de/en/forced-prostitution/facts-and-... On increase in STDs— >…significantly more STI diagnoses https://di.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/224168/Men-who-pay-for-sex-prevalence-and-sexual-health-Results-from-the-German-Health-and-Sexuality-Survey-(GeSiD) https://di.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/224168/Men-who... On issues with the recent report on PPA—https://catwinternational.org/2025/08/catws-statement-on-the-evaluation-of-germanys-2017-prostitutes-protection-act/ https://catwinternational.org/2025/08/catws-statement-on-the... Why do you think they’re trying to do the Nordic model now? Hint: it’s not because legalizing sex work proved to be a great solution for their society. Interesting to note, Germany ranks lower than the US on the happiness index.
      - Arnt 11mo ago
        Much better. However, their thoughtfulness is not a reason for you to be thoughtless. If you want to write that someone "haven’t thought through the implications", then you yourself need to think through the implications. Not just write a single sentence that implies that some implications exist.
        nis0s 11mo ago
        You’re operating under old internet rules where we didn’t have open source AI or paid AI to flesh out pros and cons prior to speaking with others. What stands out to me the most is that the Nordic model proves that reducing sex work improves the economic wellbeing of people, regardless of the legalization of sex work.
nis0s 11mo ago
Good. Sex work degrades the moral fabric of communities by reducing the human body into a decomposable commodity, and at that point you’re not that far off from creating a legal market for kidney selling. People have a romanticized view of sex work because they look at the upper and rarer levels of it, like escorts or doms. If sex work is normalized, there will be the “McDonalds” version of it too, where workers might just have to spend all day being a “glory hole” in a drive-thru of sorts. If people think it’s okay to degrade your body, they think it’s okay to degrade your personhood. I don’t think it’s a good idea for society to create a class of workers that doesn’t have any tangible talent or capability beyond being used by someone else. It’s not the same as mental work, or other physical labor, and you if think so then you either haven’t done sex work, or have only done the “high end” version. Just like everyone can’t qualify for $500K jobs, not everyone will qualify for high end sex work.
- throwaway94275 11mo ago
  - Any work can be said to reduce the human body/mind to a decomposable commodity. - Everything you say here about sex work applies to non-sex work. - The name for "class of workers that doesn't have any tangible talent or capability beyond being used by someone else" is "slave." It's incorrect while this is true: people can voluntarily leave jobs. I don't think anyone is saying sex workers have to take jobs they don't want or be stuck in sex work for the rest of their lives. Do you think modern workers are slaves? If so, solutions should address all workers and not just sex workers. Also equating prostitution to kindney selling is incorrect. Prostitutes generally keep all their body parts after providing services.
  - nis0s 11mo ago
    I think it might benefit you to take a more serious approach to considering the normalization of sex work, rather than as an idealist position. Once you start to break down into an activity someone has to do on a daily basis to get money to do the most mundane things, like paying rent, you come to appreciate just how both lacking and dangerous it is as something to encourage for young people as a viable career option. If sex work is your hobby, then please go ahead and be free, do whatever you want. If sex work is suggested as means to earn a living, then society can do better. The human brain is not so trivial that its labor should be reduced to something a cow, a goat, or even a monkey can do. I want human flourishing, not human debasement.
bdangubic 11mo ago
> “I am firmly convinced that we must finally ban prostitution and the purchase of sex in this country“ - Without reading anything but this you’d be certain this was garbage said/written by “Christian-something” party / group /… - Also 99.97% of all clients are Christians as well :)

Just make it a legal and protected profession already , all states and countries are losing out on big tax revenue and its funneling more people into the dark underbelly of society for literally no reason. We have easy access to porn, raves, onlyfans is essentially a digital version of this, etc and the youth are already sexualized and consumed by their desires -- but when the genitals physically cross that's too much? What a joke. You want a deterrent, make it legal, have safe buildings and rooms for this service - all parties consent to be recorded and footage deleted in 1 year (in the event of a crime). Safer for the women cause vanilla sex is pointless to record in the age of porn/has no real leverage for the guys who just need to take the edge off and the freaks run a very real risk of capture if they get too aggressive.

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nis0s 11mo ago
People who say it should be legalized haven’t thought through the implications of it.
- Arnt 11mo ago
  It was legalised in Germany about 20 years ago. The proposal to legalise it was very thoughtful and readable, quite unlike your single-sentence assertion. Two brief examples that I remember: ① Many prostitutes were also witnesses to related crimes, which were difficult to prosecute because the key witnesses would have to admit to their own prostitution. ② The first employer of an ex-prostitute has to teach the ways of normal employment. Some employers will make that effort, but not many. The organisations that help prostitutes find regular employment stated that a criminal record made the search much more difficult.
  - nis0s 11mo ago
    Okay, then please read someone who writes gooder than I do: On child prostitution in Germany—https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-raise-alarm-over-spike-in-child-trafficking/a-73800323 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-raise-alarm-over-spike-... On sex trafficking in Germany—https://www.dw.com/en/germany-mulls-ban-on-buying-sex-to-fight-exploitation/a-74673114 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-mulls-ban-on-buying-sex-to-fig... Further on sex trafficking—https://mission-freedom.de/en/forced-prostitution/facts-and-legal-situation/ https://mission-freedom.de/en/forced-prostitution/facts-and-... On increase in STDs— >…significantly more STI diagnoses https://di.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/224168/Men-who-pay-for-sex-prevalence-and-sexual-health-Results-from-the-German-Health-and-Sexuality-Survey-(GeSiD) https://di.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/224168/Men-who... On issues with the recent report on PPA—https://catwinternational.org/2025/08/catws-statement-on-the-evaluation-of-germanys-2017-prostitutes-protection-act/ https://catwinternational.org/2025/08/catws-statement-on-the... Why do you think they’re trying to do the Nordic model now? Hint: it’s not because legalizing sex work proved to be a great solution for their society. Interesting to note, Germany ranks lower than the US on the happiness index.
    - Arnt 11mo ago
      Much better. However, their thoughtfulness is not a reason for you to be thoughtless. If you want to write that someone "haven’t thought through the implications", then you yourself need to think through the implications. Not just write a single sentence that implies that some implications exist.
      - nis0s 11mo ago
        You’re operating under old internet rules where we didn’t have open source AI or paid AI to flesh out pros and cons prior to speaking with others. What stands out to me the most is that the Nordic model proves that reducing sex work improves the economic wellbeing of people, regardless of the legalization of sex work.

nis0s 11mo ago

Good. Sex work degrades the moral fabric of communities by reducing the human body into a decomposable commodity, and at that point you’re not that far off from creating a legal market for kidney selling. People have a romanticized view of sex work because they look at the upper and rarer levels of it, like escorts or doms. If sex work is normalized, there will be the “McDonalds” version of it too, where workers might just have to spend all day being a “glory hole” in a drive-thru of sorts. If people think it’s okay to degrade your body, they think it’s okay to degrade your personhood. I don’t think it’s a good idea for society to create a class of workers that doesn’t have any tangible talent or capability beyond being used by someone else. It’s not the same as mental work, or other physical labor, and you if think so then you either haven’t done sex work, or have only done the “high end” version. Just like everyone can’t qualify for $500K jobs, not everyone will qualify for high end sex work.

throwaway94275 11mo ago
- Any work can be said to reduce the human body/mind to a decomposable commodity. - Everything you say here about sex work applies to non-sex work. - The name for "class of workers that doesn't have any tangible talent or capability beyond being used by someone else" is "slave." It's incorrect while this is true: people can voluntarily leave jobs. I don't think anyone is saying sex workers have to take jobs they don't want or be stuck in sex work for the rest of their lives. Do you think modern workers are slaves? If so, solutions should address all workers and not just sex workers. Also equating prostitution to kindney selling is incorrect. Prostitutes generally keep all their body parts after providing services.
- nis0s 11mo ago
  I think it might benefit you to take a more serious approach to considering the normalization of sex work, rather than as an idealist position. Once you start to break down into an activity someone has to do on a daily basis to get money to do the most mundane things, like paying rent, you come to appreciate just how both lacking and dangerous it is as something to encourage for young people as a viable career option. If sex work is your hobby, then please go ahead and be free, do whatever you want. If sex work is suggested as means to earn a living, then society can do better. The human brain is not so trivial that its labor should be reduced to something a cow, a goat, or even a monkey can do. I want human flourishing, not human debasement.

bdangubic 11mo ago

> “I am firmly convinced that we must finally ban prostitution and the purchase of sex in this country“ - Without reading anything but this you’d be certain this was garbage said/written by “Christian-something” party / group /… - Also 99.97% of all clients are Christians as well :)