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I've been using Nextcloud now for 4+ years. The latest major versions pretty much have no features that benefit regular home users. They are now chasing governm

by zerof1l 11mo ago

I've been using Nextcloud now for 4+ years. The latest major versions pretty much have no features that benefit regular home users. They are now chasing government contracts and AI hype. Nextcloud can't even get Notes done right. I lost the entire contents of the note randomly not long ago. And the mobile Note app refuses to load the editor sometimes. That being said, most of the time, Nextcloud works ok. I don't want to replace Nextcloud with another jack of all trades, master of none. Instead, I'm slowly migrating to good alternatives that do one thing well: Immich for photos, Obsidian for notes.

virtue3 11mo ago
thanks for the immich suggestion. How have you liked Obsidian? I was going to use it but realized it pay walled sharing notes between devices. Looking into this again - are you self hosting Obsidian via LiveSync plugin? Thanks!
- syntaxing 11mo ago
  You can simply put your vault in a cloud folder if you don’t want to pay for Livesync
- zerof1l 11mo ago
  I'm self-hosting Obsidian sync. I mostly followed the tutorial here: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1eo7knj/guide_obsidian_with_free_selfhosted_instant_sync/ https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1eo7knj/guide_o... Except I wanted more security and multiple users. Instead of using the default admin user, I created one user for each person. Done in the "_users" database. Then create one database for each person. Assign each user as a "Member" to their respective database, not admin. Now each person has their own credentials that can access only their database.
- chrisweekly 11mo ago
  Not OP but I'm a very happy longtime Obsidian user. Maybe a little unfair to characterize as "paywalled" given their sync service is optional (and works very well), and a directory of markdown files is about as portable and flexible as it gets for self-hosting.
  - j45 11mo ago
    Sync is a pretty core feature though for any such app, and it is paywalled for the many instead of the few who can figure it out for themselves.
    - chrisweekly 11mo ago
      Ok, maybe? But given Obsidian itself is FREE(!), IMHO charging $4/mo for sync is eminently reasonable.
- beredon 11mo ago
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- lordievader 11mo ago
  Another alternative for sharing notes is git. This plugin [0] provides git integration to Obsidian making syncing with a git repo easy. I have termux running on my phone with a cron job to pull in new changes. The plugin I mentioned is not very performant on Android unfortunately. [0]: https://github.com/Vinzent03/obsidian-git https://github.com/Vinzent03/obsidian-git
maccard 11mo ago
> That being said, most of the time, Nextcloud works ok. Most of the time isn’t enough when dealing with data these days unfortunately. I’ve been using google docs since 2009, and I have lost 0 data in that time. I still have my student essays from back then. Things need to be this reliable to compete unfortunately.,
- chrisweekly 11mo ago
  Ok, I hope you take regular backups. Depending on Google risks sudden account lockout w/ no recourse. Everything suddenly gone, "poof". Others in this thread can do a better job than me describing other tradeoffs for self-hosting vs dependence on Google.
  - maccard 11mo ago
    Others in the thread also do a good job of describing the risk of self hosting - these tools are buggy, have synchronisation issues, have workflow quirks and sharp edges. For all their pain points, google docs works and it’s reliable. I’ve had way more issues of unrecoverable data with self managed tools than the major cloud hosted tools. There’s risks with everything, and I only have so much time in the day to spend on these things..
    - TheNewsIsHere 11mo ago
      With self hosting tools I have found the key to success is simplicity. When I stopped conflating my home lab, home production, and what I thought I wanted, things just became so much simpler and more reliable. YMMV of course. I’ve come to the conclusion that a lot of self hosters are unintentionally confused about the differences between those things, and it makes an easy recipe for problems.
    - throwway1922 11mo ago
      I find that people justify their own DIY things by fearmongering about Google (etc). Risk is so low with any of the large providers.
  - 11mo ago
Fire-Dragon-DoL 11mo ago
Obsidian is not self hosted or open source though,right?

by zerof1l 11mo ago

virtue3 11mo ago

thanks for the immich suggestion. How have you liked Obsidian? I was going to use it but realized it pay walled sharing notes between devices. Looking into this again - are you self hosting Obsidian via LiveSync plugin? Thanks!

syntaxing 11mo ago
You can simply put your vault in a cloud folder if you don’t want to pay for Livesync
zerof1l 11mo ago
I'm self-hosting Obsidian sync. I mostly followed the tutorial here: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1eo7knj/guide_obsidian_with_free_selfhosted_instant_sync/ https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1eo7knj/guide_o... Except I wanted more security and multiple users. Instead of using the default admin user, I created one user for each person. Done in the "_users" database. Then create one database for each person. Assign each user as a "Member" to their respective database, not admin. Now each person has their own credentials that can access only their database.
chrisweekly 11mo ago
Not OP but I'm a very happy longtime Obsidian user. Maybe a little unfair to characterize as "paywalled" given their sync service is optional (and works very well), and a directory of markdown files is about as portable and flexible as it gets for self-hosting.
- j45 11mo ago
  Sync is a pretty core feature though for any such app, and it is paywalled for the many instead of the few who can figure it out for themselves.
  - chrisweekly 11mo ago
    Ok, maybe? But given Obsidian itself is FREE(!), IMHO charging $4/mo for sync is eminently reasonable.
beredon 11mo ago
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lordievader 11mo ago
Another alternative for sharing notes is git. This plugin [0] provides git integration to Obsidian making syncing with a git repo easy. I have termux running on my phone with a cron job to pull in new changes. The plugin I mentioned is not very performant on Android unfortunately. [0]: https://github.com/Vinzent03/obsidian-git https://github.com/Vinzent03/obsidian-git

maccard 11mo ago

> That being said, most of the time, Nextcloud works ok. Most of the time isn’t enough when dealing with data these days unfortunately. I’ve been using google docs since 2009, and I have lost 0 data in that time. I still have my student essays from back then. Things need to be this reliable to compete unfortunately.,

chrisweekly 11mo ago
Ok, I hope you take regular backups. Depending on Google risks sudden account lockout w/ no recourse. Everything suddenly gone, "poof". Others in this thread can do a better job than me describing other tradeoffs for self-hosting vs dependence on Google.
- maccard 11mo ago
  Others in the thread also do a good job of describing the risk of self hosting - these tools are buggy, have synchronisation issues, have workflow quirks and sharp edges. For all their pain points, google docs works and it’s reliable. I’ve had way more issues of unrecoverable data with self managed tools than the major cloud hosted tools. There’s risks with everything, and I only have so much time in the day to spend on these things..
  - TheNewsIsHere 11mo ago
    With self hosting tools I have found the key to success is simplicity. When I stopped conflating my home lab, home production, and what I thought I wanted, things just became so much simpler and more reliable. YMMV of course. I’ve come to the conclusion that a lot of self hosters are unintentionally confused about the differences between those things, and it makes an easy recipe for problems.
  - throwway1922 11mo ago
    I find that people justify their own DIY things by fearmongering about Google (etc). Risk is so low with any of the large providers.
- 11mo ago

Fire-Dragon-DoL 11mo ago

Obsidian is not self hosted or open source though,right?