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What about PHP merits this statement? It's 2025, PHP has become modern, performant, and has good frameworks that are battle-tested and reliable. Yikes. (And thi

by port11 1y ago

What about PHP merits this statement? It's 2025, PHP has become modern, performant, and has good frameworks that are battle-tested and reliable. Yikes. (And this from a former PHP and now Node developer.)

mono442 1y ago
It is not really suited for software which need to maintain long lived connections and that's the case with nextcloud when uploading or downloading large files.
- archerx 1y ago
  In my experience developing with PHP that’s not true.
- port11 1y ago
  It supports Websockets perfectly. Maybe you're conflating the issue with Apache's default settings, Apache being often the choice to front PHP servers?
  - hevisko 1y ago
    yeah that patchy server needs to be retired, but LAMP stacks just keep blowing back the air
beefnugs 1y ago
My entire 20 year career is filled with wordpress blunders, i could never ever trust php again, ever ever ever, even if they said it has been reimplented by completely different people in every other language. there is something about "theme" code leading to complete control of servers that is fundamentally broken in every way, there is no coming back from this reputation
- 1shooner 1y ago
  >"theme" code What do you you mean by 'theme' code?
  - sixeyes 1y ago
    Worpress themes were just PHP themselves and people used to smuggle all things of stuff in there.
- archerx 1y ago
  You know PHP is based of C. Would you say C/C++ is theme code?
- cweagans 1y ago
  Wordpress is not a good representation of modern PHP.
- port11 1y ago
  I left Wordpress development in 2014 (I think?), and it's true that I always found it to be an abomination; but naturally so given it's a project with a long history. That said: PHP isn't Wordpress. Honestly, look at a modern Symfony codebase. You'll find monads, functional programming, etc, at least that was my experience at the last PHP shop (in 2020).

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What about PHP merits this statement? It's 2025, PHP has become modern, performant, and has good frameworks that are battle-tested and reliable. Yikes. (And thi

by port11 1y ago

mono442 1y ago
It is not really suited for software which need to maintain long lived connections and that's the case with nextcloud when uploading or downloading large files.
- archerx 1y ago
  In my experience developing with PHP that’s not true.
- port11 1y ago
  It supports Websockets perfectly. Maybe you're conflating the issue with Apache's default settings, Apache being often the choice to front PHP servers?
  - hevisko 1y ago
    yeah that patchy server needs to be retired, but LAMP stacks just keep blowing back the air
beefnugs 1y ago
My entire 20 year career is filled with wordpress blunders, i could never ever trust php again, ever ever ever, even if they said it has been reimplented by completely different people in every other language. there is something about "theme" code leading to complete control of servers that is fundamentally broken in every way, there is no coming back from this reputation
- 1shooner 1y ago
  >"theme" code What do you you mean by 'theme' code?
  - sixeyes 1y ago
    Worpress themes were just PHP themselves and people used to smuggle all things of stuff in there.
- archerx 1y ago
  You know PHP is based of C. Would you say C/C++ is theme code?
- cweagans 1y ago
  Wordpress is not a good representation of modern PHP.
- port11 1y ago
  I left Wordpress development in 2014 (I think?), and it's true that I always found it to be an abomination; but naturally so given it's a project with a long history. That said: PHP isn't Wordpress. Honestly, look at a modern Symfony codebase. You'll find monads, functional programming, etc, at least that was my experience at the last PHP shop (in 2020).