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We really need an owncloud/nextcloud alternative with zero PHP.

by awestroke 11mo ago

gertop 11mo ago
Owncloud already has zero PHP with the introduction of Owncloud Infinite Scale (written in Go) introduced in 2022.
- awestroke 11mo ago
  I see php code in that repo
  - jijijijij 11mo ago
    I see dead people.
DeathArrow 11mo ago
You mean you want a Javascript variant?
- awestroke 11mo ago
  I'd prefer something in Rust or C#
  - OoooooooO 11mo ago
    Rust, C#, Java, Go and maybe even Erlang would suffice for modern stack and IO heavy and performant workloads.
  - giancarlostoro 11mo ago
    If you are okay with Rust or C# idk why Go is an issue? Go powers most infrastructure on the internet that we rely on. Docker, Kubernetes, Hugo, Caddy, MinIO, a lot of these are used in backend services so you would never even realize you are using them but you are. I think Go is fine.
    - tormeh 11mo ago
      I'd prefer Rust as well, but anything with a decent type system is okay. I have bad associations with Java software, but idk if that's the language itself, or enterprise brainworns.
    - awestroke 11mo ago
      Go is fine, but I prefer Rust and C#.
- tormeh 11mo ago
  Anything with types. And that doesn't have "wat" videos about its behaviour.
  - homebrewer 11mo ago
    Modern PHP is a strongly typed language, still dynamically typed, but in a way that feels more like static typing. Better than TypeScript for sure if you're not into PhD-level typing hacks, and light years ahead of Ruby, Python, JS, and their ilk. https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.type-system.php https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.type-system.php As for "wat videos", you'll find that about anything.
port11 11mo ago
What about PHP merits this statement? It's 2025, PHP has become modern, performant, and has good frameworks that are battle-tested and reliable. Yikes. (And this from a former PHP and now Node developer.)
- mono442 11mo ago
  It is not really suited for software which need to maintain long lived connections and that's the case with nextcloud when uploading or downloading large files.
  - archerx 11mo ago
    In my experience developing with PHP that’s not true.
  - port11 11mo ago
    It supports Websockets perfectly. Maybe you're conflating the issue with Apache's default settings, Apache being often the choice to front PHP servers?
    - hevisko 11mo ago
      yeah that patchy server needs to be retired, but LAMP stacks just keep blowing back the air
- beefnugs 11mo ago
  My entire 20 year career is filled with wordpress blunders, i could never ever trust php again, ever ever ever, even if they said it has been reimplented by completely different people in every other language. there is something about "theme" code leading to complete control of servers that is fundamentally broken in every way, there is no coming back from this reputation
  - 1shooner 11mo ago
    >"theme" code What do you you mean by 'theme' code?

We really need an owncloud/nextcloud alternative with zero PHP.

gertop 11mo ago

Owncloud already has zero PHP with the introduction of Owncloud Infinite Scale (written in Go) introduced in 2022.

awestroke 11mo ago
I see php code in that repo
- jijijijij 11mo ago
  I see dead people.

DeathArrow 11mo ago

You mean you want a Javascript variant?

awestroke 11mo ago
I'd prefer something in Rust or C#
- OoooooooO 11mo ago
  Rust, C#, Java, Go and maybe even Erlang would suffice for modern stack and IO heavy and performant workloads.
- giancarlostoro 11mo ago
  If you are okay with Rust or C# idk why Go is an issue? Go powers most infrastructure on the internet that we rely on. Docker, Kubernetes, Hugo, Caddy, MinIO, a lot of these are used in backend services so you would never even realize you are using them but you are. I think Go is fine.
  - tormeh 11mo ago
    I'd prefer Rust as well, but anything with a decent type system is okay. I have bad associations with Java software, but idk if that's the language itself, or enterprise brainworns.
  - awestroke 11mo ago
    Go is fine, but I prefer Rust and C#.
tormeh 11mo ago
Anything with types. And that doesn't have "wat" videos about its behaviour.
- homebrewer 11mo ago
  Modern PHP is a strongly typed language, still dynamically typed, but in a way that feels more like static typing. Better than TypeScript for sure if you're not into PhD-level typing hacks, and light years ahead of Ruby, Python, JS, and their ilk. https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.type-system.php https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.type-system.php As for "wat videos", you'll find that about anything.

port11 11mo ago

What about PHP merits this statement? It's 2025, PHP has become modern, performant, and has good frameworks that are battle-tested and reliable. Yikes. (And this from a former PHP and now Node developer.)

mono442 11mo ago
It is not really suited for software which need to maintain long lived connections and that's the case with nextcloud when uploading or downloading large files.
- archerx 11mo ago
  In my experience developing with PHP that’s not true.
- port11 11mo ago
  It supports Websockets perfectly. Maybe you're conflating the issue with Apache's default settings, Apache being often the choice to front PHP servers?
  - hevisko 11mo ago
    yeah that patchy server needs to be retired, but LAMP stacks just keep blowing back the air
beefnugs 11mo ago
My entire 20 year career is filled with wordpress blunders, i could never ever trust php again, ever ever ever, even if they said it has been reimplented by completely different people in every other language. there is something about "theme" code leading to complete control of servers that is fundamentally broken in every way, there is no coming back from this reputation
- 1shooner 11mo ago
  >"theme" code What do you you mean by 'theme' code?