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That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented im

by chasil 1y ago

That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented immigrants (resulting in fatalities), it is certain that an Illinois license is worthless. I had hoped that an ID issued by the U.S. Department of State would be a safeguard. Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge.

testing22321 1y ago
> That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I think that is the point.
- EasyMark 1y ago
  That and they don't care. I think they are selected to be robots for the regime, and their training eventually expanded for all police work as a private army for the King. I don't believe that they are just for "ICE activities". Their budget dwarfs others like the DEA and CIA now with the "big bogus bill". Reminds me of certain other historical police force origins.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    > Their budget dwarfs others like the DEA and CIA now with the "big bogus bill" What numbers are you looking at? For reference, FY25 budgets: "CIA budget" (which isn't publicly split from the general IC top line authorizations): $73.4 B for NIP and $28.2 B for MIP https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10524 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10524 ICE: $28.7 B (after OBBB increase) https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/big-budget-act-creates-deportation-industrial-complex https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/big-... DEA: $3.3 B https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/FY-2025-Budget-Highlights.pdf https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024...
Tadpole9181 1y ago
Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.
- chasil 1y ago
  Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-removal-expansion/ https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...
  - amypetrik8 1y ago
    hola amigos, ca habla un americano el citizeno --- que? no hablo ingles.
    - defrost 1y ago
      Puorte o' calzone cu 'nu stemma arreto 'na cuppulella cu 'a visiera alzata. Passe scampanianno pe' Tuleto camme a 'nu guappo pe' te fa guardà! Tu vuò fa l' americano! ammericano! mmericano siente a me, chi t' ho fa fa? ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlJwMFtMCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlJwMFtMCs Translated by Australians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9Ed9DUQoQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9Ed9DUQoQ
  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    The DHS and ICE just randomly changed rules to this articles "expedited" process, officially declared that no paper documents count - only their homebrew app, and are now engaging mass raids without evidence or warrants that cause damage to people and their property with no means of reconciliation; this includes targeting home-born American citizens. This article is explicitly reactive and says so itself! None of these documents mean just about anything anymore - yesterday it was A, today it is B, tomorrow it is C. The rule of law has broken down in America. We've seen an entire national campaign about a man deported to a prison in a country he was being protected from. The administration has been caught with numerous citizens now. While arguing they have no requirement of due process and have a right to deport anyone anywhere they please. There's not negative value, you should still do it and hope there's still someone to stop them somewhere in the process. But believing this is simply a matter of "getting your papers in order" or explaining how "this is a bad idea" to them is nuts... as if the Nazis ever cared about the papers. If a Nazi official wanted you gone, you were gone. That's how fascism works. And before I hear anyone say "oh, please, Nazis, don't be irrational", Greg Bovino is effectively the commander-at-large of CBP. Today he did a Nazi salute in front of a crowd of people. And that's what America is, just 10 months in. An authoritarian police state with a Gestapo that's rapidly escalating. With no one left to stop them, it seems, what with local LEO and the NG and SCOTUS and Congress all being in on the game.
nobody9999 1y ago
>Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge. Judge? What judge? If the ICE app says you're "Illegal," your documents don't mean anything and you're subject to deportation without due process. And that's not a mistake either. It's designed to allow these folks to disappear whoever they like, regardless of their status. And if by some bit of luck you manage to be able to challenge such thuggery, it will just be blamed on the "false positives." Oops. "Oh, sorry. That 8th generation citizen anti-Trump activist was murdered at CECOT. We screwed up. Sorry. We'll ('pinky swear') try to avoid that in the future." Edit: Added missing (at the end of a sentence no less!) preposition.

by chasil 1y ago

testing22321 1y ago

> That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I think that is the point.

EasyMark 1y ago
That and they don't care. I think they are selected to be robots for the regime, and their training eventually expanded for all police work as a private army for the King. I don't believe that they are just for "ICE activities". Their budget dwarfs others like the DEA and CIA now with the "big bogus bill". Reminds me of certain other historical police force origins.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  > Their budget dwarfs others like the DEA and CIA now with the "big bogus bill" What numbers are you looking at? For reference, FY25 budgets: "CIA budget" (which isn't publicly split from the general IC top line authorizations): $73.4 B for NIP and $28.2 B for MIP https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10524 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10524 ICE: $28.7 B (after OBBB increase) https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/big-budget-act-creates-deportation-industrial-complex https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/big-... DEA: $3.3 B https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/FY-2025-Budget-Highlights.pdf https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024...

Tadpole9181 1y ago

Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.

chasil 1y ago
Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-removal-expansion/ https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...
- amypetrik8 1y ago
  hola amigos, ca habla un americano el citizeno --- que? no hablo ingles.
  - defrost 1y ago
    Puorte o' calzone cu 'nu stemma arreto 'na cuppulella cu 'a visiera alzata. Passe scampanianno pe' Tuleto camme a 'nu guappo pe' te fa guardà! Tu vuò fa l' americano! ammericano! mmericano siente a me, chi t' ho fa fa? ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlJwMFtMCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlJwMFtMCs Translated by Australians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9Ed9DUQoQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9Ed9DUQoQ
- Tadpole9181 1y ago
  The DHS and ICE just randomly changed rules to this articles "expedited" process, officially declared that no paper documents count - only their homebrew app, and are now engaging mass raids without evidence or warrants that cause damage to people and their property with no means of reconciliation; this includes targeting home-born American citizens. This article is explicitly reactive and says so itself! None of these documents mean just about anything anymore - yesterday it was A, today it is B, tomorrow it is C. The rule of law has broken down in America. We've seen an entire national campaign about a man deported to a prison in a country he was being protected from. The administration has been caught with numerous citizens now. While arguing they have no requirement of due process and have a right to deport anyone anywhere they please. There's not negative value, you should still do it and hope there's still someone to stop them somewhere in the process. But believing this is simply a matter of "getting your papers in order" or explaining how "this is a bad idea" to them is nuts... as if the Nazis ever cared about the papers. If a Nazi official wanted you gone, you were gone. That's how fascism works. And before I hear anyone say "oh, please, Nazis, don't be irrational", Greg Bovino is effectively the commander-at-large of CBP. Today he did a Nazi salute in front of a crowd of people. And that's what America is, just 10 months in. An authoritarian police state with a Gestapo that's rapidly escalating. With no one left to stop them, it seems, what with local LEO and the NG and SCOTUS and Congress all being in on the game.

nobody9999 1y ago

>Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge. Judge? What judge? If the ICE app says you're "Illegal," your documents don't mean anything and you're subject to deportation without due process. And that's not a mistake either. It's designed to allow these folks to disappear whoever they like, regardless of their status. And if by some bit of luck you manage to be able to challenge such thuggery, it will just be blamed on the "false positives." Oops. "Oh, sorry. That 8th generation citizen anti-Trump activist was murdered at CECOT. We screwed up. Sorry. We'll ('pinky swear') try to avoid that in the future." Edit: Added missing (at the end of a sentence no less!) preposition.