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> Regardless of your thoughts on immigration and ICE, if a cop tries to pull you over, and instead you decide to speed off and barricade yourself inside a dayca

> Regardless of your thoughts on immigration and ICE, if a cop tries to pull you over, and instead you decide to speed off and barricade yourself inside a daycare, you’re probably going to get arrested. I view ICE as wholly illegitimate. If I were on the jury in this case, I would vote to acquit Ms. Galeano no matter what the prosecution said, and many people out there who have not said this online would do the same. There’s no need to be so fatalistic.

inemesitaffia 1y ago
Immigration Enforcement is illegitimate apparently.
- Uehreka 1y ago
  > Immigration Enforcement You make it sound so reasonable when you say it like that. But here’s the thing: If you’re gonna die on the hill that “simply enforcing immigration laws” requires invading cities and detaining people without due process, everyday people are going to come to the conclusion that it might not be worth it. It’s wild how far you guys thought you could get with that phrasing. Like at this point, y’all have done the Abolish ICE people a huge favor. It was much easier to call them anarchist weirdos when many people had never even seen an ICE officer much less had their lives affected by their activities. But now… well, unless conservatives do in fact succeed in ending elections (which I rank unlikely) I give it a >50% chance that ICE is abolished within 10 years.
  - inemesitaffia 1y ago
    My argument here is that there's people opposed to any immigration enforcement period. Both parties promised me last election was the last.
rappatic 1y ago
> I view ICE as wholly illegitimate Though you may find this surprising, your personal opinion on the legitimacy of an organization doesn’t actually have legal standing.
- Uehreka 1y ago
  > legal standing To paraphrase a show TFA’s author introduced me to: What are laws? We just don’t know.

inemesitaffia 1y ago

Immigration Enforcement is illegitimate apparently.

Uehreka 1y ago
> Immigration Enforcement You make it sound so reasonable when you say it like that. But here’s the thing: If you’re gonna die on the hill that “simply enforcing immigration laws” requires invading cities and detaining people without due process, everyday people are going to come to the conclusion that it might not be worth it. It’s wild how far you guys thought you could get with that phrasing. Like at this point, y’all have done the Abolish ICE people a huge favor. It was much easier to call them anarchist weirdos when many people had never even seen an ICE officer much less had their lives affected by their activities. But now… well, unless conservatives do in fact succeed in ending elections (which I rank unlikely) I give it a >50% chance that ICE is abolished within 10 years.
- inemesitaffia 1y ago
  My argument here is that there's people opposed to any immigration enforcement period. Both parties promised me last election was the last.

rappatic 1y ago

> I view ICE as wholly illegitimate Though you may find this surprising, your personal opinion on the legitimacy of an organization doesn’t actually have legal standing.

Uehreka 1y ago
> legal standing To paraphrase a show TFA’s author introduced me to: What are laws? We just don’t know.